Minister of State Office: Term V

[FeMme]

MINISTER OF STATE OFFICE : TERM V


INTRODUCTION

Welcome all to the Minister of State Term V Office. I am stoked to have been voted in for a third term in this office. It must mean I'm doing something right! [or that not one else wants to do it ]

In this term I will encourage as much exploration as possible and even endeavour to circumnavigate the globe! It is my hope to meet many other civilisations and trade knowledge and resources with them where appropriate and advantageous to Concordia. I would also like to see more Great People being nurtured and put to good use building Academies and making important trade missions to foreign lands.

I hope that you will all do what you can to aide these plans and have your say when issues arise. I thank you for your support in the elections and I hope that you will continue your support throughout this term.

Long Live Concordia!!

P.S. Here are some postcards I brought back

[FeMme]

TERM V

CURRENT GOVERNMENT
PRESIDENT : Zoid (MPA)
VICE PRESIDENT : Nimitz (MPA)

MINISTER OF DEFENCE : RobWorham (MPA)
MINISTER OF INTERIOR : Fed1943 (AGG)
MINISTER OF STATE : FeMme (MPA)
MINISTER OF FINANCE : MMC (Ind)

SUPREME JUSTICE (1 term remaining) : Smellycowsquid (MPA)
2nd JUDGE- (2 terms remaining) : Couerdelion (MPA)
3rd JUDGE - (3 terms remaining) : Zeace (Ind)


CURRENT TERM THREADS

DIPLOMACY
Which nations are our long term allies?

RELIGION
POLL: Do we want to rush for the last remaining religion?
POLL: Should we convert to Confucianism?

CIVICS
POLL: Should we change civics?

GREAT PEOPLE
POLL: How should we use our Great Merchant?
POLL: Do we want to rush for the last remaining religion?
Where to settle our GMerchants?

[FeMme]

HISTORICAL REFERENCES

TERM IV
Minister of State Office: Term IV

DIPLOMACY
RESOLUTION:Permission to resume war on Germany at the appropriate time

RELIGION
POLL: Do we want to rush to the last remaining Religion?

CIVICS
POLL: Shall we change to the Caste System?

GREAT PEOPLE
What shall we do with our next Great Person?
Responsibility for Great People


TERM III
Minister Of State Office: Term III

DIPLOMACY
POLL: Do we open our borders to the Germans?
RESOLUTION: Permission to declare war on Germany at the appropriate time

RELIGION

CIVICS
POLL: Whip emergency unit in Apolyton?
POLL: Should we whip in Rubygrad?

GREAT PEOPLE

ALL OF THE ABOVE
A New Era Begins
The Case for Exploration

TERM II
Minister of State Office: Term II
ELECTION: Minister of State

DIPLOMACY
POLL : Diplomatic relations with the Germans
POLL : Diplomatic relations with the Germans - Part 2
Do we prepare for war with Germany?
POLL : Diplomatic relations with the Mongols
POLL : Diplomatic relations with the Mongols - Part 2
War on Mongolia?
Resolution : Permission to declare war on Mongolia at the appropriate time
War, what is it good for.....?
Scouting for more contacts?

RELIGION
Religion - Your thoughts and choices

CIVICS
Civics - Your thoughts and choices
Should we whip?


TERM I
Term I Directory
Minister of State Office : Term I
Turn Reports : Term I
Whips in Apolyton (Pre Granary)
DISCUSSION : Responsibility for Civics
POLL : Once we discover bronze working should we enact slavery?
POLL : Should we enact slavery now?

[FeMme]

CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS - 1502AD

CONCORDIA:
Leader : Zoid (Creative, Financial)
Religion : Worship of the Banana, Confucianism in Casa del Nimitz

Techs AI's don't have : Code of Laws, Alphabet, Metal Casting, Compass, Feudalism, Machinery
Techs AI's have and needed by Concordia: Music, Philosophy, Theology

Number of Cities : 15 : Apolyton, Paddyton, Iron Tusks, The Lake, Metaliturtleton, Rubygrad, The Valley, Povo Este-fed, FeMme Fatale, Chuckfort and Bananaburg, Wormsville, Zoidburg, Bananastary, Casa del Nimitz

Resources controlled : Iron x5, Cows x6, Silk x3, Gold x2, Wine, Horses x3, Sugar, Ivory x2, Crab x4, Spice x5, Corn x3, Marble, Dye x3, Clams x2, Banana x2, Deer, Rice x2, Stone, Wheat, Sheep, Fish x2

Strongest Units : War Elephant, Swordsmen, Crossbowman

World Wonders: Stonehenge, The Pyramids, The Great Lighthouse, Hanging Gardens, The Great Library, The Parthenon, The Colossus

National Wonders: Heroic Epic, National Epic, The Globe Theatre

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DIPLOMACY

FRANCE: PEACE
Leader : Napolean (Agressive, Industrious)
Religion : Hinduism (founder)
Relationship Status: +1: +1 Years of Peace have strengthened our relationship

Techs AI does't have : Code of Laws, Alphabet, Metal Casting, Compass, Feudalism
Techs AI have and needed by Concordia: none

Government Civics Adopted: Hereditary Rule, Slavery

Number of Cities : 12 : Paris, Orleans, Lyon, Rheims, Tours, Boston, New York, Marseilles, Washington, Chatres, Olmec and Parthian

Resources controlled : Ivory x4, Spice, Rice x2, Cow x3, Copper, Incence x3, Iron x2, Corn, Gold x2, Marble x2, Gems x2, Banana, Wine x3, Horse

Strongest Units : axeman

World Wonders: none

Our current foreign Policy: Scouting mission underway, Open Borders
Our future foreign Policy: as yet undecided

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INDIA: PEACE
Leader : Ghandi (Spiritual, Industrious)
Religion : Confusianism (founder)
Relationship Status: +1: +1 Years of Peace have strengthened our relationship

Techs AI doesn't have : Metal Casting, Compass
Techs AI have and needed by Concordia: Music/ Theology

Government Civics Adopted: Hereditary Rule, Vassalge, Slavery, Organised Religion

Number of Cities :7 : Delhi, Bombay, Madras, Bangalore, Calcutta, Lahore, Kolhapur

Resources controlled : Iron x2, Cow, Rice, Stone, Clam x4, fish, copper, crab, gold (this is only what we've seen so far)

Strongest Units : Longbowman, Swordsman

World Wonders: The Oracle, The Kong Miao, Notre Dame

Our current foreign Policy: Scouting mission underway, Open Borders
Our future foreign Policy: as yet undecided

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AZTEC: PEACE
Leader : Montezuma(Aggressive, Spiritual)
Religion : Buddhism (founder), Taoism (founder)
Relationship Status: +1: +1 Years of Peace have strenghtened our relationship

Techs AI does't have : Alphabet, Compass
Techs AI have and needed by Concordia: Philosophy

Government Civics Adopted: Hereditary Rule, Vassalge, Serfdom, Organised Religion

Number of Cities : 6 : Tenochtitlan, Teotihuacan, Tlatelolco, Texcoco, Athens, Karachi

Resources controlled : corn, wine, silk and horses (only ones known as yet)

Strongest Units Spotted : Jaguar Warrior and Horse Archer

World Wonders: none

Our current foreign Policy: Scouting mission underway, Open Borders
Our future foreign Policy: as yet undecided

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GREECE: PEACE
Leader : Alexander (Philosophical, Aggressive)
Religion : Buddhism
Relationship Status: +1: +1 Years of Peace have strenghtened our relationship

Techs AI does't have : Code of Laws, Compass, Machinery
Techs AI have and needed by Concordia: none

Government Civics Adopted: Hereditary Rule, Vassalge, Slavery, Organised Religion

Number of Cities : 7 : Sparta, Thermopylae, Corinth, Delphi, Pharsalos, Argos, Mycenae

Resources controlled : ivory (only one seen so far)

Strongest Units Spotted : none yet

World Wonders: none

Our current foreign Policy: Scouting mission underway, Open Borders
Our future foreign Policy: as yet undecided

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GERMANY: VANQUISHED
Frederick and the German civilisation is no more. His last two cities falling to our Banana crusaders in 1358AD.

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MONGOLIA: TERMINATED
Kublai's reign is reduced to an historical entry in our Great Book the Historia Concordia!

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RELIGION

Worship of the Banana still prevalent in Concordia

Discovered religions :
Buddhism : Founded by unknown nation in 3370BC - 17% influence
Hinduism : Founded by unknown nation in 2920BC - 9% influence
Judaism : Founded by unknown nation in 1480BC - 3% influence
Confuscianism : Founded by unknown nation in 310BC - 15% influence
Christianity : Founded by unknown nation in 1085AD - 15% influence
Taoism : Founded by unknown nation in 1232AD - 1% influence

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CIVICS

CURRENTLY ADOPTED
Government
- Representation (+3 beakers per specialist, +2 in 6 largest cities) (medium upkeep)

Legal
- Barbarism (low upkeep)

Labour
- Caste System (unlimited Artists, Merchants and Scientists) (medium upkeep)

Economy
- Decentralisation (low upkeep)

Religion
- Paganism (low upkeep)

Current Civic Upkeep: 74 Gold per turn

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CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
Government
- Despotism (low upkeep)
- Hereditary Rule (+1 per Military unit in a city) (low upkeep)
- Representation (+3 beakers per specialist, +2 in 6 largest cities) (medium upkeep)
- Police State (+25% militry unit production, -50% war wariness) (high upkeep)
- Universal Sufferage (+1 hammer from Town, can spend gold to finish production in city) (medium upkeep)

Legal
- Barbarism (low upkeep)
- Vassalage (new units receive +2 experience points, +19 free units) (high upkeep)

Labour
- Tribalism (low upkeep)
- Slavery (can sacrifice population to finish production in city) (low upkeep)
- Caste System (unlimited Artists, Scientists and Merchants) (medium upkeep)
- Serfdom (workers build improvements 50% faster) (low upkeep)

Economy
- Decentralisation (low upkeep)

Religion
- Paganism (low upkeep)
- Organised Religion (can build Missionary without Monastery, cities with State Religion construct buildings 25% faster) (high upkeep)

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GREAT PEOPLE

CURRENTLY STUDYING
- Rubygrad +7 GPP/turn (50% Prophet, 50% Engineer)
- Povo Este-fed +77 GPP/turn (100% Merchant)
- Metaliturtleton +21 GPP/turn (100% Scientist)
- Apolyton +3 GPP/turn (100% Engineer)
- Bananaburg +3 GPP/turn (100% Artist)
- Zoidburg +3 GPP/turn (100% Merchant) - Not until order is restored in 6 turns

ALREADY EMPLOYED
- Imhotep (Engineer) trained in Rubygrad and helped to construct The Great Library in Metaliturtleton in 1100AD
- Zu Chongzhi (Scientist) trained in MTT and appointed Dean of the Academy there in 1238AD
- Alhazen (Scientist) trained in MTT and appointed Dean of the Acamdemy in Povo Este-fed in ....
- Harkuf (Merchant) trained in Povo Este and settled in Paddyton in 1436AD
- Hanno (Merchant) trained in Povo Este and settled in Bananastary in 1490AD


Please feel free to discuss issues here, or in relevant threads.

[couerdelion]

I know it’s quite a lot to ask here but can we get some sort of cross-referenced “Relations” grid for our new friends across the water. Since we’ve stumbled across a war-zone, we need to have a much clearer idea of what we are doing when we trade with one or other of these nations. Until we know the extent of their lands and their cities, we might be shooting ourselves in the foot if we find that several AI-civs decide to close their borders because of our trading with their worst enemy.

Of course, this should have been done before and I rather think the trading of Calendar to Gandhi for Monarchy was a very foolish move. The Aztecs and France are most likely the big powers on that continent and we’ve basically gained about 400 beakers – what we needed to finish Monarchy – for the risk that the Aztecs and France will close their borders to us and our explorers may then have limited room for doing their jobs.

What is even worse is that overseas cities may be closed to trade to us limiting our scope for benefiting from our Great Lighthouse.

Now it seems to me somewhat regrettable that no-one seemed to mention this during the chat-room. Maybe we still have too much of an Axe-Grinding nature in our “international relations” and we will find some way to blame the French and Aztecs for disliking us and forget the fact that we were the ones who are at fault in this case.

All in all, we need more information and a clearer international policy rather than blundering in their with no idea of the long-term ramifications.

OK..Rant over..

[fed1943]

Harkuf

Povo Este just produced a GMerchant. Now the question is to find how

to best use him.

Lightbulb would give civil service, an useful tech, but a poor choice to

the GP. A trade mission, while appealing and good, is not the way

to

go,too.

To take the most profit from the GP we must settle him in our gold city.

As we have no Holy city, we must choice the best commerce city, thatis free to the task. The obvious candidate is Paddyton, our best (and

very good) commerce city, with reasonable hammers to build infra;

its weakness is small food surplus, and the GM helps here.

The gold boost, multiplied by the market now, short term by grocer

and bank, later by Wall Street (that Povo Este cannot build and MTT

shall not) shall be a great help, even the solution, to our budget.

Best regards,

[Nugog]

fed

[FeMme]

Please make your votes and give your thoughts on what to do with the Great Merchant who has just been 'born' in Povo Este-fed.

How shall we use our Great Merchant?

Bananas for everyone!

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I applaud your goal to sail to the very horizons minister femme lets be the first in all things exploration !!!

[couerdelion]

Since we’re now at a key stage in the larger game, I thought I’d add a few comments/suggestions. Some of these a merely cosmetic.

1) We have Globe Library showing as a world wonder
2) We should be able to figure out other wonders from the Top 5 cities page
3) Might I suggest we divide resources into the three categories of Strategic, Luxury, Food. This could also then order them into groups depending on the bonus buildings (ie 3 granary resources shown together, then 3 harbour, then 4 supermarket, then the lone grocer)

The main point of this post though is to discuss the merits of trading to improve “relative” strength. As a concept you’ll be familiar with this at it’s very basic level where we will prefer to trade, say Theology for Metal Casting rather than Philosophy for Literature, Machinery and Compass. Although we get more from the second option, the other party to the agreement does even better. The same situation would arise if we could make the same deal with two nations but chose to make it with the one who was most technologically behind.

If we concentrate on relative strength we might end up developing a little slower but benefit because our rivals will develop even slower. So a trade for Feudalism may not even be in our long term interests if it allows another nation to narrow the game or enable that nation to trade on with others.

At a technological level we are about 2 complete techs ahead of India, 4 ahead of Aztecs and a huge 10 ahead of Napoleon. By trading with India we increase their chance of narrowing the tech deficit but the gap with Napoleon is so large that we lose little by trading here. I also think Napoleon might be in a position to extort techs from India so we might still gain a little by selling them to him before he can do this. By selling cheaply we improve our relations with France to maintain trade routes. Although preferable is the cheap trade gift of which we have many.

We can also use tech trading to remove anomalies between other nations. Gandhi has Alphabet, Literature and Drama while Monty has Metal Casting and Philo (but won’t trade the later). By trading Metal Casting to Gandhi, this leaves nothing that Monty can offer. Note that this is just an example since there reasons why we might not want to maintain trade with India. In any case Gandhi and Monty are not best of friends so I doubt they will trade. But if we find other nations there then we might find some who would trade amongst themselves so we should use our advantage to remove these “discrepancies”.

p.s. I couldn’t figure out why Gandhi was being greedy asking Metals and Compass for Feudalism. Isn’t this a broadly even deal?

[FeMme]

I'm very sorry folks but I won't be able to update this page for another 36 hours or so as I am off to a place that the internet forgot....! Looking forward to returning to the World of Civ already

[FeMme]

Updated 1442AD

[Nugog]

Could the MOS comment on the mooted idea of liberating Bombay please.

Could you advise us on your views of the pros and cons of such a move.

[FeMme]

As I have said in another thread, I think that obtaining a Holy City and Shrine is well worth the effort required to go to war. Bombay is so far the only city that has both these things and by taking this city we could in effect close off access to and from the 'Banana Straits'.

As to the pros and cons, here are a few to chew on.

Going back to war will cost us money and hence tech research will decrease, not to mention the fact that a city so far from our capital will be debilitating to our economy. However, the monetary benefit of taking a Holy Shrine could potentially be very profitable. This will take some time however, as we will need to spread this religion to our continent (and eventually across the globe) in order to reap the high rewards.

Straits!

[FeMme]

Also, IMO I don't think that any other civ on our neighbouring continent would greatly object to our going to war with Gandhi. In fact, we may even get offers of military support from Monty as they are currently enduring 10 turns of uneasy peace. Napolean and Monty are close trading buddies at the moment, while Alexander is a bit of a mystery as he doesn't seem to have a strong relationship with any of the civs we have currently met.