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I support "vote to ignore". And click 'no dice' in game. Actually, how about we put Templar on ignore for the balance of the game.
Can someone close this thread as we will not be using it again.
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We're glad you've decided to see reason. We're happy to discuss peace. We think we can make you a nice offer: leave no defenders in Jerusalem or Constantinople for 10 turns and after we capture the cities we'll agree to peace.
Finally a peace proposal! Unfortunately, now we have peace with Imperio we no longer require a peace treaty with yourselves. Maybe you should have sent something earlier?
If we try to list our grievences then we are in danger of coming over as a bunch of whiny dorks. Game is meant to be fun - the templars attack, the templars get smashed, we make fun of the templars is how I forsee it.
She said 'Your nose is running honey' I said 'Sorry but it's not'
OK, serious answer: send no response. That way, they at least think that we're considering their message. Also, whenever anyone logs into the game, make SURE to reject a Templar peace offer if one pops up. They may well try to bombard us with peace offerings in the hopes of getting an accidental signing.
We can taunt them unmercifully when they have been eliminated from the game.
This is really hilarious! Man, I'm so much looking forward to reading their forum after the game has ended. I just can't wrap my mind around their personality...
MyOtherCar, that quote you dig up from sooooo is indeed quite prophetic!
remember that PM I sent Aidun in anger when Herc suggested we had a cease fire? No? Ok, here it is ...
Aidun,
This is a private message from me to you. Not from Team RB to Templar.
We just got an email from Herc saying that they thought we had a cease fire. What a load of rubbish. Go back and read all of our messages - 'cease fire' was never mentioned anywhere, by anyone. The last communication two weeks ago (2 weeks!) was us asking you to propose a peace deal.
Simply put, you should have actually read our messages and acted on them.
Ruff
Well, I just got a reply from Aidun ...
Ruff
The past two weeks I was unable to access the email or Apolyton and only first checked today. I just read Hercules' email.
We never had a cease-fire in my imperssion, although for a long time, until talks effectively broke down, neither side engaged in military action against the other, which had the same effect as a cease-fire, which I described as an 'informal kind of cease-fire'; informal since it was neither official nor agreed upon by us. I used that terminology, "informal kind of cease-fire" in a description to my team of the status quo after our first or second PM exchange. Either team was free to do as it pleased, but both did nothing until you attacked Jericho.
Simply put, under the terms which you proposed, peace was never acceptable neither by me nor by my team. I felt very disappointed by that email of your team and was preparing a reaction when I could no longer access this. I also didn't understand your message, but perhaps that is part of a greater misunderstanding between us or between your team and myself (I noted that some e-mails were no longer signed by you; I was unsure what to make of that, but assumed I was talking to different people with different preferences).
Frankly, I think you or whoever in your team wrote that last message or took the general decision to refuse to compromise, made a serious mistake, because you are wasting your resources on a war that will get you what exactly? 5 Templar cities. Take it, if that is what you want. I had no illusion that the Templars could hold out against your team. Time was to your advantage in that respect, and I knew you would use time to get your forces ready.
However, time was on my hand in a very different way. I knew that my team could wait forever to make peace, knowing that it would never have a shot at winning, but you was under pressue and you still are: with every hour that passes, PAL is one step closer to winning and you are one step further away.
It was a bargain in which I held something that was precious only because you would presumably value it highly and would accordingly be willing to pay a lot for it, at least that's the logic of bargaining. Apparently you didn't or changed your mind, which explains your message. Otherwise you made a big mistake. Peace wasn't worth a damn for us, unless it would get us something we would otherwise not get, such as territory. However you didn't want to offer that extra thing and as such your peace proposal was worthless. Worse, the peace you offered was effectively asking us to sell our pride and that is something my team and I cannot do. If my team had made peace under your conditions, I would have quit the team. I prefer to lose a game fighting than to become a vassal.
Future must tell whether you were right or not to forgo peace, but I think that if your objective is to win the game, it was a mistake to forego peace. If your objective was more limited, i.e. to let PAL win the game as long as your team could dominate the island, it was a good decision to refuse peace. Still, in that case, you should have broken off the talks unilaterally when your troops were in place instead of making a meaningless offer for peace. Which leads me to suspect that if not now then within some weeks or months you and your fellow team mates will be damning themselves when, as Hercules wrote, you won the battle, but lost the war.
Aidun
Oh my - what a laugh. They wanted to trade them delaying our progress towards victory for territory! For what - they would just let the jungle grow back. And we would be further from victory. Squashing this team is a huge step forward for us regarding our ultimate victory in this game.
If anything - the time that Templar have cost us has enabled us to practice our war tactics and for the team to grow very confident of our future battles. I think they have actually played into our hands in this regard.
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