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**Swiss Pauli** · March 2, 2009, 13:41

Urban Planning

The thread where we discuss medium/long term city development: research powerhouses, GP farms, whipping posts, fishing villages, military pumps, and all that jazz

@Sullla - could you edit your post if you have time over the next few days to delete the worker and unit info.

**Swiss Pauli** · March 2, 2009, 15:06

Mellow Yellow

Here's my effort...trying to keep things general...

Short-term outlook: a bit meh, as we need to invest quite a few worker turns to improve the jungle grasslands, though we could cottage the grass forest and dye tiles. Lighthouse an obvious early build.

Medium term outlook: not a bad commerce city, assuming we cottage the grasslands. Chopping the plentiful forests will help get the infra we need (library, CH), or to get some units rolling (depending on our needs). Not really enough food for running specialists, nor hills for serious production, but enough for whipping at smaller sizes.

Long term outlook: a bit meh, as this isn't an easy area to irrigate (would have to run from Pink via SF through the two jungle tiles above; irrigation from Green Acres is blocked). With seven plains tiles, but only the +3 food from the clams, I don't see ever being more than a mid-ranking city.

**Zeviz** · March 18, 2009, 02:15

Here are some thoughts after looking at the game:

1. Military.
A few of our cities have to be constantly training military for the foreseeable future. Cape Town can handle most of Imperio front and Pink Dot should be good for Templar front. A1 and China Beach can help by training HAs. (Should we build Stables in either of them?)

2. Expansion.
We need to assign several worker/settler factories to start filling in the massive territory we've grabbed. Here are the best candidates in the short run:

a) Green Acres - 2 clams!, winery, and a grassland hill to be mined. This is the perfect city for worker/Settler production. Whip, grow to size 4 while building Forge, switch to Settler, whip, etc.

b) Mellow Yellow - The only good tiles now are Clams and Plains forest hill. So I'd let it grow to size 4, whip a worker, grow to size 4, and so on until we have 3 cottages there. Even after that we can keep the city as a worker factory.

c) Something Fishy - It can be a great commerce and city in the future, but for now it has only 4 good tiles to work, and we need to train more workers in the south. When the city gets more improved tiles, it can take over some military duty from China Beach.

3. New Cities.
Newest cities (Saxon and Blue Dot) will have to work on their own infrastructure for now.

4. Immediate actions:
4.1 Green Acres should switch from Worker to Settler, because we need Settlers in the north and workers in the south.
4.2 Something Fishy should put in a worker(5), because it's about to start working unimproved tiles, and it needs a second worker.
4.3 Mellow Yellow grows to size 4 (4 turns), then puts in a Worker to be whipped.

After this, we should have enough workers for immediate needs and can train a pair of Settlers after Green Acres and Mellow Yellow recover from whips.

**T-hawk** · April 4, 2009, 14:01

Ruff_Hi cleverly pointed out in the tech discussion thread that we have a good shot at the Taj Mahal. Might be a good idea to start planning now for which city to do it.

I guess the realistic options are Airstrip One, Pink Dot, or China Beach (assuming Cape Town is on perpetual military.) A1 could do it the quickest, but it's Artist pool pollution, but a Great Artist is still good for a golden age. Pink is the next strongest site, with several choppable forests, but it's on the front line in the south and also may get pressed into military service. China Beach is a sleeper choice - it's got decent hammer production, is safely on the back lines, and doesn't have anything else super pressing, although it has only one forest left.

Opinions?

**mostly-harmless** · April 4, 2009, 14:43

What about Bluebell Woods? Lots of forests to chop. Just a wild idea.
mh

**sooooo** · April 4, 2009, 15:39

Possibly. It does have its own infra to build and lacks a forge though. Probably airstrip one is best. Best raw production and has a few forests left to chop (assuming we don't need the health, which we shouldn't do due to deer, sheep and crabs yet to hook up and trading).

**Sullla** · April 4, 2009, 16:32

Airstrip One is the place where we'll build Taj, and we should land it easily with our current research path so long as PAL doesn't Liberalism their way to Nationalism. Also assuming no one else gets a Great Engineer at an inopportune moment.

We can pull 18 shields/turn there, which after a gazillion multipliers (25% forge, 50% Bureaucracy, 100% marble) becomes 49.5 shields/turn. 14 turns at that rate, and it may well be less than that, because I think the Bureaucracy calculation gets applied before the forge/marble one (that would make the rate 60 shields/turn and 12t total).

Not to mention more Great Person points for our National Epic city.

**sunrise089** · April 4, 2009, 16:54

Originally posted by Sullla View Post

Airstrip One is the place where we'll build Taj, and we should land it easily with our current research path so long as PAL doesn't Liberalism their way to Nationalism. Also assuming no one else gets a Great Engineer at an inopportune moment.

We can pull 18 shields/turn there, which after a gazillion multipliers (25% forge, 50% Bureaucracy, 100% marble) becomes 49.5 shields/turn. 14 turns at that rate, and it may well be less than that, because I think the Bureaucracy calculation gets applied before the forge/marble one (that would make the rate 60 shields/turn and 12t total).

Not to mention more Great Person points for our National Epic city.

I think the Bureau hammer bonus just is additive to the other bonuses and then all the bonuses together are multiplied by the base hammers (the same way beaker bonuses work). I think the only exception is the Bureau COMMERCE bonus because beakers and commerce are different, so commerce bonus is applied and then the beaker bonus is applied to that number.

**T-hawk** · April 4, 2009, 17:30

sunrise is right. Bureaucracy is additive with all other hammer bonuses. Bureaucracy commerce is multiplicative with cash and beaker multipliers.

**regoarrarr** · April 4, 2009, 18:54

I still think we should run an engineer after this next scientist pops. a) gets our next GP sooner, and b) gives us odds at an engineer to rush Taj (or Globe)

**sooooo** · April 4, 2009, 19:19

@Regoarrarr: How would you configure the capital to run the engineer? Growth is only at +2 - firing a cottage worker stops growth and firing a miner slows it to +1.

**regoarrarr** · April 4, 2009, 22:25

My thought was to fire 2 miners and replace them with a cottage (soon to be built). That trades 4 hammers for 3 commerce + 3 (6) GPP

**Sullla** · April 5, 2009, 04:24

We currently just don't have enough improved tiles to do this. Our worker is laying down cottages as fast as he can, but for right now it would be very wasteful to swap off of those grassland hill mines.

The researcher in me would also favor another Scientist specialist over an Engineer, with tons of beaker multipliers in Airstrip One.

**regoarrarr** · April 5, 2009, 08:11

We do have Syme and O'Brien available to also improve A1, if we choose.

So, some numbers:
As it stands:
T131, almost pure scientist (National Epic completed on T130), with 8/300 overflow (again, due to NE), 18 GPP (8 sci, 1 art * 2)
T148: 75% chance of Sci, 25% chance of artist. 14/400 overflow
T170: next GPP with 10/500 overflow

If we hire an engineer (or alternatively, another scientist) on T131
T131, almost pure scientist (National Epic completed on T130), with 8/300 overflow (again, due to NE), 24 GPP (8 sci, 1 art, 1 eng * 2)
T144, 60% sci, 20% artist, 20% eng, with 20/400 overflow
T160: GPP 5, with 4/500 overflow
T181: GPP 6

So GPP#4 4 turns earlier and GPP#5 10 turns earlier

We do have the option to take either Syme or O'Brien (who were roading to Cape Town) and use one of them to get the capital improved a bit faster so that we can hire another GP

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