Our civilization choices : From a roleplaying perspective......

[RobWorham]

OK, we have a few days before the game setting polls are over with and we have to start thinking about our civ choice......

From a purely roleplaying perspective, who would you like to play and why........

Post away rabbits!!!

[RobWorham]

Quoted from the previous Rabbit Theme thread......

Originally posted by RobWorham
To my mind, rabbits could be described as :

Expansive : Lots of healthy veggies, breeding like rabbits means quicker workers, and very adept at storing food for the long cold winters.

Imperialistic : That breeding kicks in again to make plenty of new rabbit hutches for our expanding population. Fearsome fighters when threatened means that the cream of rabbit fighters rises to the top quickly.

or could be suitable for :

Creative : The cultural radius could be thought of as our little bunnies spreading across the countryside.......

Industrious : We're always busy beavering (well rabbiting) away making our dens bigger and deeper. This industriousness could be channeled into making other mighty works.......

Protective : It may just be me, but I just can't dream up an image of a bullyboy thug rabbit!!! Hares I can imagine throwing there weight around, but not nice cuddly rabbits. On the other hand.....

Aggressive : We are The Rabbits of Caerbannog!! We do rip the throats out of valiant knights. We do strike fear into all far and wide. We may be cuddly, but we're killers!!!!

Organized : I've never seen a disorganized rabbit, they always seem to know exactly what they are doing, and exactly where they are going. A slim connection I know, but I'm reaching the end of my list here.......

Originally posted by RobWorham
So, we could be :

Joao II (Exp/Imp)
Mao Zedong (Exp/Pro)
Bismark (Exp/Ind)
Suryavarman (Exp/Cre)
Mehmed II (Exp/Org)
Shaka (Exp/Agg)
Charlemagne (Imp/Pro)
Genghis (Imp/Agg)
Julius (Imp/Org)
Augustus (Imp/Ind)
Catherine (Imp/Cre)
Hammurabi (Agg/Org)
Tokugawa (Agg/Pro)
Kublai (Agg/Cre)
Stalin (Agg/Ind)
Zara (Cre/Org)
Louis (Cre/Ind)
Gilgamesh (Cre/Pro)
Roosevelt (Ind/Org)
Qin Shi Huang (Ind/Pro)

Hmmmmm, quite a list to narrow down........

Originally posted by Zoid
A lot to chose from indeed. I narrowed it down to 6 leaders. Of these I like Charlemange or Augustus.


Charlemagne (Imp/Pro)
Genghis (Imp/Agg)
Augustus (Imp/Ind)
Tokugawa (Agg/Pro)
Stalin (Agg/Ind)
Qin Shi Huang (Ind/Pro)

Originally posted by Nugog


Then may I suggest Stalin.

Really interesting trait combo - and Cossacks - one of the most powerful mid game UU's.

Originally posted by FeMme
I definitely think Expansive should be one of our traits but am torn between Industrious and Aggressive.

I've never played Bismark before but have enjoyed being Shaka a few times. Nice early UU if you have a handy source of Copper.....

Originally posted by GeoModder
Russia&Cossacks are a bit too much trodden ground in my opinion. Besides, the UB comes way too late for a MP teamgame, while the possibility exists that the game won't go that far.

If this game is going to be played on a Terra map, I'd like to propose Portugal. Plenty of commerce from the seas with the UB, and first dibs on a oceanic transport that in the right circumstances can be used for a surprise amphibious attack.

For a more landbased map I propose Charlemagne. Splendid unique unit when Engineering comes around, and when we're there the castle can be build for defense AND extra trade. Not to forget the unique building, giving us a quarter more support leeway to settle/occupy territory.

[RobWorham]

and......

Originally posted by AdamTG02
I'm not all that Aggressively-minded, personally. I like the Expansive/Imperialistic idea -- multiply like wabbits! Keep in mind that with a large enough population base, even less-promoted troops should be able to overrun the enemy.

The Caerbannog point is well-put -- but what was that killer wabbit, our forbear, trying to do? Protect his den, of course! From those nasty trespassing knights with their coconuts and hand grenades! You'd be scared too if you were the size of a wabbit! So maybe we ought to go Protective/Imperialistic (Charlemagne) or Expansive/Protective (Mao).

But Mao means cat! Sworn enemy of the wabbit. On the other hand, Charlemagne's "French" were the ones to eventually defeat Arthur Pendragon, with the aid of the cops. (Couldn't have been Louis's French -- wrong time period.) So how 'bout those Holy Romans! We can even change the civ name to Caerbannog so that it doesn't sound as dippy as Holy Rome.

Originally posted by Chuckman
Or we could just call it the HRE for Holy Rabbit Empire. The unique building could be modified to ra(bbi)thaus. That -75% upkeep lends itself to lots of expansion. The Landsknecht unit would really chew up knights. If we are leaning theme based civ, HRE is a strong candidate.

Originally posted by fed1943
If possible, better wait the map choice,before the leader one.

Portuguese,as Dutch,are very good if coastal,but if not...

And among the spoken leaders,I prefer Stalin. (Not the ideal choice
for my money, but with no Fin,Phil or Char). A big challenge, indeed.

Best regards,

Originally posted by Ms_Summer
After spending some time poking around and reading what is posted, I figured I'd add my 2 quarters (hey, inflation strikes everything).

When I think rabbits, I think growth. Vertical, horizontal, military, economic, etc. I feel that would give us a good theme that will also be a winning strategy. I then started looking at traits that will allow us to "grow" the best. Expansive, Organized, Charismatic, and Creative I think play into this the best, especially Expansive and Organized.

Next I made a list of leaders/civilizations that have these traits.
Exp/Org - Mehmed/Ottomans
Exp/Char - Washington/America
Exp/Cre - Suryavarman/Khmer
Org/Char - Napoleon/French
Org/Cre - Zara Yaqob/Ethiopian
Char/Cre - none

Of these, I like Mehmed, Washington, and Zara the most. Mehmed offers the Hammam, which fits the growth idea well, and the Janissary, which is a decent UU. Washington's UU and UB plays real late in the game, but I do like the health/happy boost to every city, however. Zara has more early game culture output (Cre + Stele) than any other civ in the game, and the Oromo Warrior is no slouch.

If it came down to it, I'd pick Mehmed. His traits and UU fits the growth idea extremely well, is a flexible leader, and he isn't a civ that will paint a target on our heads (i.e. Huayna, Darius, or Julius)

[RobWorham]

As the map settings will be the following, do we have any more to add to this topic???

Map Type : Terra

# of Old World Landmasses : 2 Old World Landmasses
# of New World landmasses : Random New World Landmasses
Map Size : Standard Map Size
Climate : Temperate Climate
Sea Level : Medium Sea Level
Era : Ancient *
World Wrap : Cylindrical
Resources : Standard

No City Razing : Unticked - Cities can be razed after capturing them.
No City Flipping From Culture : Unticked - Cities can convert peacefully from culture.
City Flipping After Conquest : Unticked - Cities which have been captured via conquest can't convert peacefully back to a previous owner.
Game Speed : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
No Barbarians : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
Raging Barbarians : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
Choose Religions : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
No Tech Trading : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
No Tech Brokering : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08
No Vassal States : 30/03/08 - 03/04/08

Aggressive AI : ?N/A - Unticked *? ?03/04/08 - 06/04/08?
Require Complete Kills : 03/04/08 - 06/04/08
No Tribal Villages : 03/04/08 - 06/04/08
No Random Events : 03/04/08 - 06/04/08
Difficulty Level : 03/04/08 - 06/04/08

Time Victory : Yes - Ticked *
Conquest Victory : Yes - Ticked *
Domination Victory : Yes - Ticked *
Cultural Victory : Yes - Ticked *
Space Race Victory : Yes - Ticked *
Diplomatic Victory : Yes - Ticked *

[Nugog]

Stalin.

[FeMme]

Some things never change!!!!

[Nugog]

[GeoModder]

What choice is there? Wabbitmagne or Joao of Caerbannog of course!

[Nugog]

STALIN!

[Ms_Summer]

I stand by Mehmed and Zara. Sorry, not a big fan of angry Russians with huge caterpillars.

[Nugog]

[fed1943]

So, fellow Rabbits, Terra with two Old landmass (how many baddies
close to us?) and a New World that can be a future powerful USA or
just tiny Cuba's...

The best leader to this is....?

Shall we play water,that is Willem or D.João II? Or try two or three
pangeas,one at a time? Then,someone Agressive or Imperialist and
Creative or Charismatic?

What is the inspiration of the Man or Lady of the Dice?

Cheers,

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Nugog

There you go, mate!

[theViking]

Vikings

[Nugog]

Stalin.

Seriously though - we probably need to give some consideration to our overall strategy (apart from winning) as per Fed's suggestion.