THREAD MASTER'S WAR ROOM: Suggestions for Making the List/Running the Forum

[yin26]

I went with the easier method:

TOPIC (ver1): Hosted by Thread Master

Thanks for the ideas on this, guys. I think it looks better now.

[the Octopus]

I still think Yin and tfs99 are wrong about the numbering system. Now you can't have a discontinuity if you want one. I guess I'm stuck with your system now, but I think it is the wrong decision. "Maybe it's an inclination towards computer revision numbers." Well, duh. Maybe because they've got a good system?

Yin, you seem to be a tad quick about declared consensus reached. There seemed to be only one objection to the decimal system, and no other posts on it. I remember that evil_conquerer voiced support for the decimal system on the SMAC forums. If we decide that a particular decision is going to be reached by consensus we ought to reach it. If you're going to make a decision unilaterally, you shouldn't imply that you won't.


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[tfs99]

I am not speaking for JT. However, I'd like to point out that he was already using a I, II, III type of numbering system for his MLs. So there is another person who declined to use a "decimal" numbering system.

Those who were inclined to look in the War Room and comment did so. I suspect that the specifics of a numbering scheme is probably a non-issue for most TMs.

And if it works out that Yin's (verNN) system is burdensome or unworkable, it can always be changed later.

Civ3 n ... Ted S.

[the Octopus]

Ted, my point is that virtually nobody discussed it, and there were only a few hours between when the issue really presented itself and when Yin made a unilateral decision. Evil_conqueror made his comments in the SMAC version of the war room. I will live with a system, even though I disagree with it, but I do not like the process that was used to arrive at it. I personally am not crazy about the idea that yin can just make arbitrary decisions. This one is not very consequential, but what about the next one?


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[tfs99]

>>>> Octo

You have a valid point. I suspect that Yin made the decision quickly due to his imminent road trip.

Also, it seems like Yin, you and I (as well as the occasional passerby, that rhymes!) are the only ones who pay attention and post in the War Room. Maybe Yin concluded that there wouldn't be any more comments.

I agree numbering is not a biggy. Recognizing that it's not, perhaps Yin figured a lot more discussion was not needed. I don't know. As far as future decisions, we'll just have to wait and see.

Civ3 n ... Ted S.

[SnowFire]

Not that it matters anymore, but I also support Octopus on the computer revision system. It's much clearer that way; and besides, the "over 9" issue isn't going to be that much of a factor. After 1.9, either go on to 2.0, or use 1.91-1.99.

[evil conquerer]

Just want to restate my opinion here. Octopus, thanks for reminding me

I liked the system I think originally suggested by tfs, where the versions for the original threads go v1.0, v1.1, etc. The decimal place goes up one number for each tiem the thread is closed @ 50 posts. Then when the master list is made, it takes the most recent version of all of those threads. After the master list, the threads start over at v2.0, v2.1, and so on. After the next master list is compiled, all the threads start over with 3... you get the picture. This makes it easier to remember which version everyone is on, because otherwise you could have version 14 of the technology thread be only version 2 of the master list, while version 5 of the units thread (for example) would be on version 3 of the master list. See how confusing that gets?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I don't really see any need to make things more complicated than they have to be. Just go with a number like Yin did.

And, if I may add, who cares!!!

[monolith94]

I'll host a thread on the cross-platform debate. If that's ok.

Monolith, go for it. But the title should read:

CROSS-PLATFORMS (ver1.0): Hosted by ...


[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]

[yin26]

First off, we can indeed change the system to the one Octopus suggested (btw, Octopus, I have never tried to make decisions here unilaterally--but sometimes time contraints and the difficulty of getting majority agreement on a forum forces me to make some choices instead of waiting too long: Try to work with me on that point--agreed? ).

This is NOTHING to panic about. Our version number are still so young that we can wait a few days to change the titles to Octo's system, which seems to be what people want.

Am I correct this time?

If it helps to understand why I didn't wait, I was indeed trying to set something up before I left for my trip in two hours. Maybe I made the wrong choice, but, hey, I have MODERATOR power to edit the titles later--so, as always, I will go with what the majority wants on these issues.

(Man, this is like a fight in the board room at work! )

By the way, I just want to keep encouraging you guys. This project is taking really great shape thanks to all our hard work. Remember, just 4 days ago, none of this structure was here. None. Amazing...

Yin

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[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]

[the Octopus]

Yin, if you plan is to change everything around again in a few days, then you shouldn't have changed everything around last night. Personally, I hate having the names of these threads changed around, especially my threads. I doubt that people posting in them are to pleased with it, either. If we had a system and you were forcing conformace, that would be one thing, but this "I'll do whatever I want 'cause I can fix it later" attitude is counterproductive. I don't want to be a *****, but if you don't have time to do something right, then you shouldn't do it at all. We could have lived for a few days with old threads not conforming to a new system. There is no crisis, but now you have screwed up the filing system I had been using for my own purposes with your "ver2" system, and now you say you are going to switch it again. That's a total pain in the ass.

To answer Bell: I care, and so do some others.


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[yin26]

[This is the smaller version of the original response I had to Octopus--I'm a little calmer now. ]

Octopus,

First, let me just say, you have put a lot of work into the project, and I thank you. You have also offered to make the PERL script for the names, which will help a great deal.

But you are pushing me too hard and not trying to understand my limitations. All of our jobs on this require a great deal of work and patience. I'll do my best in the future to wait for majority feedback--and can you please do your best in the future to try to be more constructive when something doesn't go the way you like?

Agreed?
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[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]

[Koyaanisqatsi]

*Distributes lithium all around*

C'mon people, chill a second. We're getting sorta proprietary about stuff here, aren't we? I don't think that's what this project needs . . .

Oh yeah, and Yin, could you please not reply to people in their own messages? It sorta defeats the purpose of having a threaded message system, and when you're used to looking at the bottom of a thread for replies, it makes stuff hard to find.

[This message has been edited by Bell (edited May 22, 1999).]

[yin26]

O.K. While we wait to see Octopus' response to the matter of titles, I have another important question on something else:

Is 50 posts too many before we close the thread?

I've noticed that people coming to the site are overwhelmed by the length of the topics. I realize that there is simply no way to make a project of this size easily digestable to the casual reader, but perphas we can close threads at 35 or some other number (20?) we decide...This will be more work for the Thread Masters in the short-term, but long-term it will help keep things much more organized and manageable.

Your thoughts?

(p.s. I'm leaving for the plane in about 2 hours, so wish me luck in Denver!)

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[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]

[yin26]

Bell,

Understood.