Sticking It Out

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Solver
I can see quitting of frustration for a period of time... but in an hour or two, I'll go and launch the game again .

Me too. And that's why we're very, very sick men.

I'm making myself play as each civ until I win as them at least once... I'm going through the Europeans right now... suffice it to say, I'm quitting about as much as I'm winning, or more so.

[TheArsenal]

My long thread above notwithstanding, I guess it boils down to this:

I don't mind being attacked, I don't mind having cities taken from me. If my production is strong enough, I'll slog it out. I accept I won't always win. But if I find large/huge numbers of units falling to far lesser ones, and find myself yelling "OH C'MON THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR!" too many times during the course of a highly losing battle - restart it is. That's when I'm not having fun.

But, for some reason, I don't seem to mind when one of my infantrymen manages to kill four of the AI soldiers.

[badams52]

I said girlfriend...but she's actually my wife. I agree with Catt, it's always best to slug it out.

The one time I ended up quitting was back when I just got the game and was playing Babylon (the ultimate builder's civ!) with culturally linked starts on. I got Persia beside me (you can see where this is going) and I was used to using 2 defensive units per city from civ 2 being enough so I was out building, out researching my opponents, up to musketmen but only having a couple with the rest as pikemen and spearmen since I didn't have that much income for upgraded.

Then out of the blue, Persia launches it's night of living Immortals on me. I upgrade to musketmen in the city outside the chokepoint next to Persia and my chokepoint city, so I'm expecting to hold my cities as his sporatic attack of Immortals die slowly trying to breakthrough the mountain chokepoint (remember civ 2 mentality).

Then I watch as Immortal after Immortal start pounding my cities. This was my first experience with SODs, and I was truly impressed. My capital was next to the chokepoint between Persia and me and I just watched as Immortal after Immortal attacked and broke through the chokepoint with little left of my army between them, my capitol and the rest of my empire.

I was in shock and awe at the mighty power of numbers (something which also works well in Civ 2, but isn't necessary so I didn't know about it). Well, after that episode, I learned the need for an army, a great army, and found that Persia became my favorite civ. It wasn't long before the switch to warmonger became complete.

And I never needed to restart again. Though from time to time, if the game for whatever reason didn't have an interest, I'd just stop.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

All good stories.

Is there anyone who loses their capital, but keeps on fighting?

[Thirgaral]

Is there anyone who loses their capital, but keeps on fighting?

I do...there´s always a little hope....

An ex. story...
I had moved all my troops down to the front and, stupid as I am, I´d left no defence in my capitol. I mean the front was 30-40 tiles away and I was winning!! But then, out of nowhere, comes an enemy spearman and captures my cap...

(I took it back the next turn, though the palace was ruined)

This was one of my very first games(if not THE very first) and I´ve learned my lesson, always defend your capitol...

[TheArsenal]

Is there anyone who loses their capital, but keeps on fighting?

This brings me to a question. I've never lost a capital in war. Nor have I moved my capital in times of peace. In terms of game play, what happens exactly? I assume one of the advisors pops up and gives you a choice as to where to place your new capital. I would guess Military.

[Wizard55]

I never say quit. I laugh in the face of Death

I will stick it out to the bitter end. Even in games I know I'm going to lose, I try to get higher up in the Histograph Race before
I die. I usually learn some new things while I'm trying to keep my head above water.

I fact in one Game ( I was playing the Vikings) Modern Age
The Ottomans were marching in on me destoying everything in site. I had 1 coastal city, Capitol and 2 other cities left out of 34 cities at one time.

Well I proceeded to build 2 settlers and set them off with 8 tanks
and 6 MI in 2 transports guarded by 2 Battleships.
(The Ottomans were on the same continent as me so they did not come with much of a navy)

We sailed to the next continent where there was some land open from a war going on between Russia and Rome.
Well we settled in just as Russia and Rome made peace. Russia had 2 cities left, so I declared war on Russia

By this time the Ottomans took my Capitol and last city.
I took Russia's last two cities. So now I have a new Capitol and 3 new cities. So I lasted until 2050 when Ottomans won by score, but I moved up from 5th place to 3rd. I had fun.

I've been playing Monarch level lately, 8 wins, 4 losses, no Ties.
I've recently moved to Emperor 2 wins, 7 losses. Sure is a different ballgame.

Thanks for listening

[badams52]

Originally posted by TheArsenal
This brings me to a question. I've never lost a capital in war. Nor have I moved my capital in times of peace. In terms of game play, what happens exactly? I assume one of the advisors pops up and gives you a choice as to where to place your new capital. I would guess Military.

Nope, it get's moved automatically as told by DaveMcW in his Free Palace Move thread.

[GarP2]

Well, I certainly agree with Catt and others about sticking it out and winning games that looked lost, and I usually do that and win, and that might even have happened in the game I described because I had such a superior lead in most other aspects, but there was something about losing combat after combat, turn after turn, with many 8-attack units against a few defense 2-defence units that soured it for me. So I guess it was a sub-case of "...when it quits being fun".

I remember hearing about Civ II that the AI made it harder for you if you were doing too well. Is it known for sure that there isnt something like that in Civ III?

...and when I see how long the game took at the end, I start to appreciate the statement by Yahweh Sabaoth that we are very, very sick men. Oh well.....

[OT] By the way - was it resolved whether Sepahi are 7 or 8 attack?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by GarP2
...and when I see how long the game took at the end, I start to appreciate the statement by Yahweh Sabaoth that we are very, very sick men. Oh well.....

This thread begs the question, "How often do you restart?" I play civ in the morning (and the evenings, when I have nothing better to do), and I've spent whole mornings starting and restarting and restarting and restarting, just to get a lush enough homeland without too severe competition... I'm an UP stickler, and that's often been the reason I quit... "Agh, some bastards on the other, undiscovered continent just build JS Bachs! Now, I could begin massing an overseas invasion force now... or I could just PLAY A WHOLE NEW GAME!"

It's perhaps not the best decision, but it's difficult to gauge how a given time-investment will pan out...

[Ubergeek]

Restarting is a separate issue -- I restart when I see nothing but tundra, mountains or plains in my starting city radius. Other than that, I give the starting position a go.

As for quitting, I will quit at three points:

1) When I discover I am isolated on an island with no other civs around and deep water to all sides -- I know that by the time I make contact I will be so far behind that I will be clawing my way out of the Ancient age when the rest of the world is cruising into the middle of the Industrial, and that I will have not the resources, luxuries or money to get back into competition. Who needs it?

2) When the AI whips the tar out of me in a sneak attack and looks poised to annihilate my empire. Normally I am MUCH too well defended for that to happen, but occasionally the Polite Chinese will launch 250 Riders into my territory without warning. At that point I concede defeat and make another start.

3) When, usually in the late game, I see that I am either in such a dominant position that I am a cinch to win the Space Race without serious competition, or that I'm so far behind that nothing I can do will save me. At that point I lose interest.

BTW, Yahweh, if I quit every time I didn't get Bach's I would NEVER finish a game. There's something about that Wonder -- even though I am often the first to get to Music Theory and start building Bach's as soon as I can in my best city, the AI ALWAYS beats me to it. I think I've actually managed to build it maybe twice in all the games I've played.

[Master Zen]

REAL MEN DON'T QUIT EVEN IF THEY START ON A 1-TILE TUNDRA ISLAND

Its so fun to turn the tables on destiny, get a crappy start and end up being the most powerful empire in the world...

I usually never get wiped out or get in a position of hopeless inferiorty. The only times I consistently lose is when I play Deity and get Greece as a close neighbor. They always kick my ass. Nothing I can do against the Hoplite (and they start with like 8 of them) at such early age.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Well, I look forward to being a good enough player that starting in the middle of a bunch of lousy terrain surrounded by civs can be a "fun challenge" instead of just another headache.

[Ubergeek]

Originally posted by Master Zen
REAL MEN DON'T QUIT EVEN IF THEY START ON A 1-TILE TUNDRA ISLAND

I never claimed to be a real man

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ubergeek


I never claimed to be a real man

To be honest I've never started on such a crappy start... but I know people who have