Early Diplomacy

[alva]

#1 - If you are a warmongering jerk and other civs FIND OUT ABOUT IT, they will hate you. But, if you say... wipe out Egypt and Greece before anyone else can make contact with them, no one will ever know. Seriously. Another reason to avoid selling contact.

I'm somewhat confused here? Don't they know about it, even if they made contact with you

[Dominae]

A question about the "Arrian Deception": if you contact other civs before you manage to cleanse (pardon my vocabulary) your home continent, will these civs be informed about your past transgressions by your neighbours? For instance, if you've repeatedly broken deals with the Indians and pillaged their towns, will the Indians tell the Persians (who are on another continent) about it when they contact each other? Or do the Persians have to "witness" one of your evil acts after contact? If the former is true, the Arrian Deception is quite difficult to pull off.


Dominae

[punkbass2000]

Only civs with contact with the civ you're backstabbing will know of your treachery, IIRC. This makes sense if, you think about it. If you contact me, am I going to tell you about how I just screwed over the Egyptians repeatedly? You can wipe out groups, too. For example, if the Greeks amd Egyptians both know each other, the Greeks will know about what you've done. But if you wipe out both of them before they contact others, then no one else will know, and so on.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by punkbass2000
If you contact me, am I going to tell you about how I just screwed over the Egyptians repeatedly?

No, but you might tell me about how the Egyptians are screwing you over repeatedly. That was the distinction in my original question; do you have to wipe them out before they make contact with any other civ, i.e. will your bad reputation spread to civs who haven't witnessed it themselves?


Dominae

[Arrian]

Dominae,

Yeah, if a civ you screw over makes contact with someone else, that newly contacted civ will get an earful about how evil you are.

On the other hand, if only you have contact with that new civ, they will have no idea of what you've done, or are currently doing, to your neighbors.

-Arrian

[Dominae]

Ok, thanks Arrian. That's basically what is going in my current game (Zulus...how can I not be a evil, treacherous despot? No offense!), but I just wanted to make sure.


Dominae

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by Dominae


No, but you might tell me about how the Egyptians are screwing you over repeatedly. That was the distinction in my original question; do you have to wipe them out before they make contact with any other civ, i.e. will your bad reputation spread to civs who haven't witnessed it themselves?


Dominae

"Only civs with contact with the civ you're backstabbing will know of your treachery, IIRC."

Did this not answer your question?

[Dominae]

Originally posted by punkbass2000
"Only civs with contact with the civ you're backstabbing will know of your treachery, IIRC."

Did this not answer your question?

No offense, but no. By "backstabbing" I understand that you're still doing it, i.e. you're currently breaking per-turn deals, and razing cities, etc. If you've done those things before you contact a third party, it is possible that the third party wouldn't take note because it didn't witness them (if the game were coded this way).

I'm sorry if it looked like I was ignoring your response, but I honestly don't think it answered my question (which may have been wordly badly)...


Dominae

[punkbass2000]

I must not understand your question properly, because I still think I answered that question indirectly Oh well, it's a moot point now anyway.

[Meshelic]

There IS much advantage to keeping communications from other civs, until it just can't be avoided or you need the cash. I prefer to keep all the other civs wondering if they are alone besides me. More advantage that way in my opinion