Sneak Attack

[Lord Merciless]

My biggest ROP exploit was in my recent game again the Persians. In that game, I moved 210 MAs in attack positions, took 15 Persian cities in the first turn, and destroyed at least 60MIs in the process.

[bbaws]

If the RoP has been going for 15 turns and the AI starts getting snooty with you I say station troops in the hills and mountains of his territory. If he chooses not to extend the RoP it's his funeral. I don't rape during RoP but when it expires then that's just the AI's problem. The troop buildup should have been enough of an indication that he plays by my rules or I bulldoze his places of worship.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Theseus
ROP rape is an exploit, plain and simple. The rep damage is not a sufficient penalty.

Yep. A lamers trick, and much loved by AI scum like Cathy and Otto.

[vmxa1]

I agree it needs to have a serious penalty. Maybe long term rioting or a few cities revolting and switching sides.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Hmmph. Unless I do the ROP betrayal thing before about the Middle Ages, all the AI tend to betray each other anyway and instantly ROPs are impossible for me (somehow, by extension), despite me having done nothing wrong.

Damn those AIs.

[WarpStorm]

The game seems to consider units in their country as a ROP violation if they are already in the country when the war is declared.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Unless I do the ROP betrayal thing before about the Middle Ages, all the AI tend to betray each other anyway and instantly ROPs are impossible for me (somehow, by extension), despite me having done nothing wrong.

Sure, the AI's betray each other, but that doesn't affect your ability to get ROP's, or at least it doesn't for me. I've never betrayed a ROP, and have never had trouble getting one unless with an old foe with whom terrible and large-scale conflict has occurred.

[Lucarse]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
My biggest ROP exploit was in my recent game again the Persians. In that game, I moved 210 MAs in attack positions, took 15 Persian cities in the first turn, and destroyed at least 60MIs in the process.

With 210 Modern Armour units why bother using the ROP deception??

I hate to be around you when you eat nuts do you open them witha .45? lol


i don't think i have ever built that many in one go!

[Tiberius]

Re: Sneak Attack

Originally posted by DellBoyRR5
Then, place the attacking units next to the enemy civ’s cities. 2 Tanks, 2 Infantry, and 1 Artillery next to each city.

I understand the 2 tanks and 2 infantries (though I find it risky to use only 4 units, unless the AI is very weak), but may I ask: WTH are you doing with that one lousy artillery?

[Inverse Icarus]

in my current game on the world map, i used an RoP with babylon to send cavalry up through russia's belly, allowing me to take 5 cities on the first turn (3 on my front, 2 on the babylonian).

[vmxa1]

Using an RoPwith A to attack is B is fine, using it to attack A is not.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Lucarse


With 210 Modern Armour units why bother using the ROP deception??

I hate to be around you when you eat nuts do you open them witha .45? lol


i don't think i have ever built that many in one go!

That AI Civ, the Persians, has 5 ICBMs and is located on a remote continent. I want to take all of their major cities in turn 1 and not give them any chance of counterattacking. Also, their cities are guarded by 4 MIs on average. Furthermore, I want to keep the cities I captured so I need sufficient reserve force to quell resistors.

In the end, I managed to take 15 cities in turn 1, destroyed all their ICBMs and about 60 MIs, and lost about 70 MAs during the process. In conclusion, 210 MAs are not such an overwhelming force.

[Keeper of Hell]

I would agree that the penalty for RoP violations as it is at this point is incredibly light. It would be more of a deterrant if the other AI civs considered it an act akin to (if not quite as severe) as the use of nuclear weapons, and they would have chance of spontaneously declaring war on the treaty-breaker. If there were worse penalties for exploiting a RoP then it wouldn't be such a big deal.