Fundamentals of Mobilization Revealed

[Panag]

Originally posted by DeepO
As I just was looking for extra info on mobilization, I want to revive this thread (and get it back on topic ) with one comment added to it: There has been a little discussion on it, but a Golden Age and a Mobilization are cumulative: You will get 2 extra shields for every tile that already produces one. This can be very powerful, even if you don't really need the mobilization that late in your game.

DeepO

hi ,

indeed it is , sometimes its forgotten

when you then have a good form of government , whoah , you can lower science a bit , and spend the extra money to buy units , .....they cost lower , because you produce more shields , ....

have a nice day

[Theseus]

One thing to note: Your better cities will produce many, many shields... make sure to pick what you are building wisely, to avoid waste.

In MT V, for instance, I went into mobilization on setting up the first turn; I had to re-adjust all the build orders though, otherwise I would have lost dozens of shields in most cities.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Theseus
One thing to note: Your better cities will produce many, many shields... make sure to pick what you are building wisely, to avoid waste.

In MT V, for instance, I went into mobilization on setting up the first turn; I had to re-adjust all the build orders though, otherwise I would have lost dozens of shields in most cities.

hi ,

one thing you can also do is to let a couple cities build whatever military unit they can finish in one turn , and then use these units to build buildings in far away places that can only build at a slow rate , ....

also intresting is to start with some improvements a couple turns before you pull the draft and GA , this way those buildings are there faster , .....

if you play "Abe" , and you have fission , you can get loads of nukes real fast , or loads of F-15's real fast , .....

its always intresting to "calculate" your Mob , with or without the GA

have a nice day

[Lord Merciless]

I used mobilization only once, during a game I played as the builder. After 0AD, my situation became quite hopeless: last in population, territory, and technology. I spent a very long time trying to catch up and after I discovered Motorized transportation, I started the mobilization. My 17 cities pumped out a total of 96 Tanks, 25 Artilleries, 8 Fighters, and 1 Bombers within 12 turns. And it took only 5 more turns to thrash the leading AI civ and make the game winnable.

However, the biggest problem with Mobilization is that you can't build any cultural improvements in newly captured cities, making them quite vulnerable to flips.

[Theseus]

Getting stuck in mobilization sucks... it's very powerful, but very dangerous.

I find that the trick is to be in multiple wars, including several that are SOLELY for the purpose of leaving mobilization when you want to... so, for instance, if there are any punching bags left (and there usually are), when you mobilize just outright declare war on one, and position some forces to take a city at your leisure; when you want to de-mobilize, take one city and negotiate peace.

Mobilization is especially powerful for militaristic civs on the warpath... barracks and harbors are allowed builds, making intercontinental invasion a snap.

[Lord Merciless]

Mobilization should ONLY be used if you are in a disadvantageous position.

[Travathian]

I totally disagree.

Mobilization can help you build units just fast enough to overwhelm the enemy. This can be especially true if you get Nationization right after Military Tradition and can crank out the Cavalry. Same thing once you've gotten tanks. Those are two points at which I always mobilize, to try and get strength and numbers against my closest opponents to wipe them out once and for all.

If you're the one being overwhelmed then mobilization is required, likewise so may conscription.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Mobilization should ONLY be used if you are in a disadvantageous position.

hi ,

but how does one define that , .....

example , you now that your powerfull neighbor is going to kill you in a short while , well , then you can use the Mob to bring the war in his territory , .....

and there are a great deal of other reasons why one should use it , before an actual war

have a nice day

[player1]

If mobilization would include possibility of building Temples, I would say that mobilization if FAR SUPERIOR.

Temples are essential in preventing "culure flips" (they raise borer radius).


Since you can't build Temples in mobilization, I would say that it's just usefull.

If you can plan quick war, then use it.

If it would be just a long war, then expect lot of culure flips.
(or expect one nice RAZING campaign)

[Panag]

Originally posted by player1
If mobilization would include possibility of building Temples, I would say that mobilization if FAR SUPERIOR.

Temples are essential in preventing "culure flips" (they raise borer radius).


Since you can't build Temples in mobilization, I would say that it's just usefull.

If you can plan quick war, then use it.

If it would be just a long war, then expect lot of culure flips.
(or expect one nice RAZING campaign)

hi ,



, they should put an option in the editor , what can be build during a Mob and what not , ...

have a nice day

[player1]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

Hi!

Originally posted by panag


, they should put an option in the editor , what can be build during a Mob and what not , ...

Yes, that could be handy.
Although, actualy alowing Temples, would switch balnce too far in favor of Mobilization.

Originally posted by panag
have a nice day

u2

[DeepO]

Hmm... if temples under mobilization were possible, it would be too powerful. I like it the way it is now.

As long as you can end the war in a few turns, you can have prebuilds for temples... which get the bonus as well. Okay, you can't rush them, but if you put all newly conquered cities to e.g. nukes, you can switch these all when the war ends, and see what a city can produce: a temple, a marketplace, a library. This way, it is sometimes possible to rush all of this in one turn, so the risk of culture flips diminshes fast. After all, you only need immediate cultural borders in the cities that border the original owner of a city, in the rest you can take it easy with the cultural buildings.

So far, I haven't used mobilization much, but I'm getting to like it a lot. In MT V, mobilization can save the day, as it is a despreate situation (by any standard). Now, I just want to get the same benefits in 'normal' games as well.

Lucilla, IIRC mobilization is only possible after nationalism, I think a middle age GA is hard to combine with mobilization

DeepO

[Theseus]

You guys make a good point... due to the lack of allowed cultural buildings under mobilization, I make an extra point (CF paranoia at a PEAK!!) of either razing, or capturing cities in adjacent pairs.

[Panag]

hi ,

well guys , that is why there should be the option , to include , or exclude this or that , it would be great for MODS and SCENS , and it could please all the players , ....

have a nice day

[Lord Merciless]

I mean 'disadvantageous' in a strategic sense. For example: you are low on research capabilities, miss important strategic resources, lack populations, or/and fall behind in cultures.

Anyway, if your chance of winning the game is greatly imperiled, mobilization can help you get out of the hole.