speeding up Forbidden Palace

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ironikinit


I tend not to build my FP until quite late unless I have unusually rapid expansion on a large continent. I would probably have better results if I did it quicker, but I always think I can expand yet a bit more...

That's usually my problem as well, I put off building the FP until I find just the right location around my frontier cities, which tend to be way, way off from the capital. So I end up stuck with some dinky city with a 1 shield production. If I were to build a little closer to home, I'd probably have it completed much sooner.

[Dimension]

What, I'm the only one who builds my Forbidden Palace ASAP?

You guys are making FP placement too complicated. The best thing to do can only be to build it immediately when you find the most productive area of your continent (i.e. the area with the most resource specials).

That's the big difference between this game and Civ 2. A small number of extremely productive cities is better than a lot of OK cities, and it's all about location and specials, because you can't flatten mountains or build farmland.

Remember that your regular Palace can move around all you want, and while your first few cities will definitely be well developed and useful, they might not be in the best location for the Palace.

If you're going to obsess over Palace/Forbidden Palace placement, it's more logical to think about relocating your Palace sometime in the mid-game. Waiting to build the FP because you want to find the best spot after your empire develops is a huge waste. You're choosing to have a single palace instead of two, which means you're losing a lot of production.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Dimension
What, I'm the only one who builds my Forbidden Palace ASAP?

You guys are making FP placement too complicated. The best thing to do can only be to build it immediately when you find the most productive area of your continent (i.e. the area with the most resource specials).

That's the big difference between this game and Civ 2. A small number of extremely productive cities is better than a lot of OK cities, and it's all about location and specials, because you can't flatten mountains or build farmland.

Remember that your regular Palace can move around all you want, and while your first few cities will definitely be well developed and useful, they might not be in the best location for the Palace.

If you're going to obsess over Palace/Forbidden Palace placement, it's more logical to think about relocating your Palace sometime in the mid-game. Waiting to build the FP because you want to find the best spot after your empire develops is a huge waste. You're choosing to have a single palace instead of two, which means you're losing a lot of production.

Well if you know all this, why are you asking for our advice?

[Blitzer]

A courthouse will not help you build anything faster. Courthouses only reduce corruption, not waste. Corruption = money, waste = shields.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Blitzer
A courthouse will not help you build anything faster. Courthouses only reduce corruption, not waste. Corruption = money, waste = shields.

Well I don't know about that, it seems to me that my production increases if I build a courthouse. I could be wrong though. I'll be sure to keep my eye on it next time.

[vmxa1]

What do you mean by "better". Lots of city means control of lots of land, which mean control of resources and access. Not to mention increase score. If you want to win a space race or cult win, then you maybe correct, but otherwise, best to build as many cities as you can. I wait on FP, not to get a better location, but I just can not take the time out from production. Once I have a GL to spare, then I do it or a strong city in a good place.

[ktaek]

Sounds familiar, that was similar to how i first used FP myself. I got crushed that game waiting for it to build.

Now i generally build FPs close to my capital, not more than 8 tiles away at the very farthest.

EDIT: I always time my FP construction with my golden age, which helps a great deal.

[Willem]

Originally posted by ktaek
Sounds familiar, that was similar to how i first used FP myself. I got crushed that game waiting for it to build.

Now i generally build FPs close to my capital, not more than 8 tiles away at the very farthest.

EDIT: I always time my FP construction with my golden age, which helps a great deal.

Golden Ages are also a very good time to switch governments, you hardly miss a beat even being in Anarchy.

[Dimension]

Originally posted by Willem
Well if you know all this, why are you asking for our advice?

Now now ....

I was asking for advice on speeding up the Forbidden Palace. It seems odd that most people are saying that they don't bother with it until the late Middle Ages.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Dimension


Now now ....

I was asking for advice on speeding up the Forbidden Palace. It seems odd that most people are saying that they don't bother with it until the late Middle Ages.

Sorry I wasn't being testy, just asking a question. As to the reason, maybe to many people, myself included, wait to long in order to find just the right place to put it, and that generally ends up being in a city that has a shield output of 1. Besides, you need to have so many cities in order just to build it, it might take until the Middle Ages, especially if you're playing a huge map.

[SanPellegrino]

Originally posted by Ironikinit
I personally do NOT think that courthouses help with waste, only corruption (that is no help with shields, only commerce). I've taken notes on it and everything. Please let us know if you find out differently.

courthouses and police stations help with waste, too. At least if the city is still in the "corruption distance". In Industrial Age Police Stations give me usually 2 extra shields in cities with about 30-40% waste.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

I typically won't build the FP until I've expanded to someplace far from my original territory. Usually that's been early in the AD years when I start it. WLTKD helps a bunch. In the early game, I just don't have enough cities far away to warrant a second capitol, as I tend to settle or conquer close by.

[Trdi]

You can speed whatever you want but with limitations. Choose the most expensive thing which you can hurry/buy. Then buy it and change to FP, GW, SW.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Once you hurry production, you can't switch to a wonder, n'est-ce pas?

[Trdi]

I didn't know that(I thought I used that, but now I see I didn't). However, you can disband units? I'm sure that works. (before you switch to GW).