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i just did this so dont say it cant be done i went into a deal with the babylonians or however the #### you spell it and i said i would give them 999999999 each turn for each of their citys they accepted before i crushed my civilzation with fees i declared war i got all the citys without the cost HAHAHAHAHA now it being very early in game my civilzation was sorrounded and very stagnant in tech but apart from the cities i asked for i also got there tech too now this plan really works well if youre in a communism or a despotism where the people get killed if you hurry production (not sure about communism) but the cities have to be well devoloped so you can get good defenses the first turn the reason this strategy doesnt work well in other forms of goverment is because if you have to resort to a deal like this you probably dont have alot of money but im ending out on top
I shall try to decipher this....I think he meant that he offered 9999999 gold for certain cities belonging to the Babylonians. Before he actually had to pay out the 9999999 gold, he declared war and got all the cities for free. After that, it's all Greek to moi.
Originally posted by Fei
I shall try to decipher this....I think he meant that he offered 9999999 gold for certain cities belonging to the Babylonians. Before he actually had to pay out the 9999999 gold, he declared war and got all the cities for free. After that, it's all Greek to moi.
The "Gold per turn" feature is broken big-time. The AI can't handle it very well and is therefore easy to manipulate.
I don't accept or pay "xxx gold per turn" anymore because it makes the game too damn easy. It's like taking candy from a baby.
"Barbarism is the natural state of mankind... Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always triumph."
"I don't accept or pay "xxx gold per turn" anymore because it makes the game too damn easy. It's like taking candy from a baby"
It makes the game too easy??!!! I'm trying to beat the computer on Deity level and trust me, you'll need every advantage you can get. As it is, the computer players are generations ahead of me in technology and how is it possible for them to advance so fast?!? I'm trying like crazy to just survive....yes....I'm lousy.....shout it to the world manz.
Fei, if you beat the game on Deity by taking advantage of flaws in the game, then you really didn't accomplish much in my opinion.
I'd rather play an easier difficulty, playing the game the way it was intended to be played, than playing a harder difficulty and having to exploit bugs to win.
I only use the per turn as part of negotiations involving resources. That way, it cannot be abused and is completely fair(the deal does get canceled if you can't pay right?).
I pay X gold per turn for luxury Y or vice versa. Other wise I don't use it except to milk a little more out of the ai for something like a tech if they'll agree to give me gold per turn some, and if they cancel and go to war on me, its not really a major loss for me(I already got my 'down payment') , as the per turn was just icing on the cake.
Ah bah, another exploit. If I'm not mistaken, it again involves the 'excessively large number bug'.
I encountered a little AI diplomacy bug myself. At one point I was offering 4G/turn + somelump sum for a Tech, which was "almost a deal". Then I increased the per turn amount, only to be told they "would never accept that". Huh?
Originally posted by Fei "I don't accept or pay "xxx gold per turn" anymore because it makes the game too damn easy. It's like taking candy from a baby"
It makes the game too easy??!!! I'm trying to beat the computer on Deity level and trust me, you'll need every advantage you can get. As it is, the computer players are generations ahead of me in technology and how is it possible for them to advance so fast?!? I'm trying like crazy to just survive....yes....I'm lousy.....shout it to the world manz.
I don't see the appeal in using an exploit to beat the AI on any level.
I can beat deity easily. I just ask for 9999999 gold/turn and then rush-build improvements and units for the rest of the game. yawn.
bug, exploit. same difference.
"Barbarism is the natural state of mankind... Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always triumph."
Clearly a bug, mentioned in another post as going the opposite way. On one level, it's disturbing that the AI responds it can pay 6 per turn, but not 15, yet will accept 9999999 from you or for itself. Even more disturbing, if I understand the fellow from the other post, the AI actually pays the 9999999. From this post, it is clear the AI will give you anything for enough money. Even though the program sets limits, the player so exceeds them so much as to be beyond the programming. Wonder if you waited one turn after making all these offers, what actually would happen to the AI's economy and yours.
In the meantime, don't use nonsense to win. This is Single Player (SP), people. Don't cheat yourself out of the real experience.
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i just did this so dont say it cant be done i went into a deal with the babylonians or however the #### you spell it and i said i would give them 999999999 each turn for each of their citys they accepted before i crushed my civilzation with fees i declared war i got all the citys without the cost HAHAHAHAHA now it being very early in game my civilzation was sorrounded and very stagnant in tech but apart from the cities i asked for i also got there tech too now this plan really works well if youre in a communism or a despotism where the people get killed if you hurry production (not sure about communism) but the cities have to be well devoloped so you can get good defenses the first turn the reason this strategy doesnt work well in other forms of goverment is because if you have to resort to a deal like this you probably dont have alot of money but im ending out on top 
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