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  • Barbarians! WTF!!?? My First Civ III Experience

    I've had Civ III sitting in the box for almost a year now till a got a computer big enough to run it. After getting a new computer a couple of weeks ago, I installed Civ III last night (no patch yet) and took it for a spin.

    I played my usual Civ II settings: Deity, Continents, 4bil, max size board, max water, max barbs, max number of civs. I got off to a rather poor start as the Greeks (scientific, commercial) on a 6x20 continent which was about half desert and half plains. Nevertheless by about 1600bc I managed to scratch out three or four respectable cities and was moderately advanced.

    In the process of exploring I knocked over a couple of barb huts, but a couple of well-placed hoplytes and veteran or elite units were able to deal with the occupants in the usual Civ II manner. Cities were reasonable well defended by Civ II standards, with one or two fortified hoplytes each, some of them veterans.

    At this point the roof fell in. I was subjected to a "massive" barbarian attack which consisted of 25 conscript horse units from each of three directions simultaneously. (Scythians, Etruscans, and Minoans IIRC) Thats 75 #$%&*@$ units at once!!!! As horse after horse materialized from the same square, my first reaction was that the program must have hung. As they began to materialize from two other squares I realized I was maximum toast the minute they hit the road system. It was as if the entire population of the known world turned into barbarians and landed on my sorry-ass piece of sand at the same time.

    What is going on here? Are these in fact barbarians, or something else? (as if it matters to the result) Where did they come from? How do you deal with them? Since I don't see the Etruscans on the list of civs, I presume they are not another civ. In two of the three cases the horse units appear to come from what looks like a small encampment; not a hut, but not quite a city. Are these huts, cities, units, or what? In one case I got rid of such an encampment after inducing the unit inside to attack me, and lose. Are there other ways to deal with this? Can encampments be absorbed into your civilization by culture?
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  • #2
    Adam Smith,

    Barbarians in CivIII work differently than in CivII. The barbarian encampments (the things you can attack and disperse for 25gold each) spawn units. Every couple of turns, they will put out a warrior or horseman. If a barb unit enters one of your cities, it will take some of your treasury or will destroy population or work you've been doing. It doesn't take the city. If you disperse an encampment (you have to attack it), that doesn't get rid of the barbs. A new encampment will soon pop up somewhere in the "fog of war." The only way to get rid of barbs is to settle the map, as they will not pop up within sight of civilization.

    Barbarian uprisings occur when 2 civs have hit the middle ages. This happened very quickly in your game because you're playing Deity, where the AI has a HUGE advantage in tech, production, growth, ect. Plus, you were alone, and the others almost certainly had neighbors to trade tech with.

    Some advice: no matter how good you were at CivII, do not start CivIII at Deity. Bad idea. Back off to warlord or regent until you get a firm grip on all of the gameplay changes. Trust me on this. I played CivII on Deity and pretty much won every time, and I'm really glad I started out at a low level and worked my way up.

    That, and read the strategy forum.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #3
      THe cash from barb camps is handy in the early part of the game. I like to keep a horse unit on the prowl for them. It also serves as a means up buffing up your units. You can't get a GL from them, but you can make elites. It can be a frighting sight to see 8 horsemen barbs knock on your dorr and you have only a spearmen or even two. You get to sweat it out as they just keep coming and your saying please make this one the last one.

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      • #4
        Should we tell him about when the Barbs get ICBMs?
        If you're wondering why I'm not posting at CivFanatics, I received a 3 day ban on September 10th.

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        • #5

          Nah, lets leave that for his next thread:
          Little Barbs with Big Toys! My Second Civ III Experience

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          • #6
            Barbarians are much less dangerous in Civ3 anyway, IMHO - because they can't actually take your cities. If you see that one of your cities is going to fall to that massive uprising, just go trade away all your money etc.

            They're more dangerous, though, in that Settlers and Workers have no defence value, so they need to be escorted.

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            • #7
              Adam Smith,

              Beyond the issue with barbs, you'll see that there are a LOT of differences between II and III.

              Suggested reading:

              http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=58720
              The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

              Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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              • #8
                Hmm, now that I think of it, I've never had to face more than one massive uprising at once... THREE?!?

                Perhaps the AI sensed Adam's Civ2-deity-arrogance and decided to give him a run for it Good for him I say - the sooner you realize you're not playing Civ2, the sooner you can start playing Civ3!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hr_oskar
                  Hmm, now that I think of it, I've never had to face more than one massive uprising at once... THREE?!?

                  Perhaps the AI sensed Adam's Civ2-deity-arrogance and decided to give him a run for it Good for him I say - the sooner you realize you're not playing Civ2, the sooner you can start playing Civ3!
                  I have been able to correlate directly my arrogance level with incidents of spearmen taking out Modern Armor. My data is anecdotal and beyond reproach.
                  If you're wondering why I'm not posting at CivFanatics, I received a 3 day ban on September 10th.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hr_oskar
                    Hmm, now that I think of it, I've never had to face more than one massive uprising at once... THREE?!?
                    I once experinced 4 packs of 8 horsemen in one barbarian uprising, which is a lot to overcome only with a regular spearman...

                    Search somewhere in the archives, Soren once unveiled the mystery of barbarian uprisings, but what has been said above is correct. In fact, if you still have uncolonized tiles by the time 2 civs reach the industrial era (which I doubt... especially on Deity!), you will have a barb uprising too.

                    --Kon--
                    Get your science News at Konquest Online!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arrian
                      The only way to get rid of barbs is to settle the map, as they will not pop up within sight of civilization.
                      They can also be stopped if you make sure all the continent is not under 'fog of war'. If you think you can't settle it fast enough, you could spread out warriors on mountains and hills throughout your land. This will stop new barb camps popping up.

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                      • #12
                        I think it's great how Firaxis makes the point PRETTY damn clear that this is not your father's Civ2.

                        Just so you know, AS, I think most of us did the exact same thing in our first game... and all went, "WTF??!!"

                        Maybe not 3 stacks... but even 1 was enough for me.
                        The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                        Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                        • #13
                          DrFell,

                          Good catch. I actually thought of that after I posted and was too lazy to edit it in. Hey, it's a friday!

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #14
                            Civ2 Deity players can get their butt kicked at Civ3 Warlord level. It's no shame if you can't keep up at the Civ3 Deity level.

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                            • #15
                              I really don't mean to sound antagonistic, but how can you complain about massive barbarian uprisings when you choose the maximum barnarian setting?
                              While there might be a physics engine that applies to the jugs, I doubt that an entire engine was written specifically for the funbags. - Cyclotron - debating the pressing issue of boobies in games.

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