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**Apostle 83** · November 27, 2001, 21:58

Oh yes, definately play with your sliders! Using them effectively can mean the difference between being able to build up a large army to quell an invasion and having to wait 17 turns for marines to come from your newer cities!

Checking every turn is monotonous, but the balance between time and money must be attained in order to compete at the higher game levels.

**War4ever** · November 27, 2001, 22:50

if your lead is huge it makes no difference..but admittedly i have been adjusting sliders on emp level and i am sure i will have to on deity i am sure

**Elucidus** · November 28, 2001, 00:56

I have found that everytime you start a new tech you should adjust your sliders. Then on the last turn, you should adjust them again. If you do this, it usually (key word there) should not yield any more to readjust inbetween. The exception is when on turn one of a new tech you can slide it down to 0% and still get it in one turn. That usually means you could have gotten a little bit more out of it. This doesn't really happen very often, usually only if I forget to adjust it when I first select it.

Boy I hope this makes sense, as I have an eye strain headache and don't feel like proof reading it. Forgive me for that, BTW.

**War4ever** · November 28, 2001, 01:30

actually you should probably look at it any time you build new cities.....they can make a difference too......especially if you build more than one new one on a given turn

**Elucidus** · November 28, 2001, 01:38

Your right. New cities, science or commerce improvements, and science or Commerce Wonders. It was a general guidline though, as those things don't happen that often.

**uh Clem** · November 28, 2001, 04:59

It's second nature for me now to check when there's 1 turn left (and with 2 turns left if I remember). That is a BIG money maker...

**Boney** · November 28, 2001, 06:04

When it gets to four turns left it is time to check the slider, sometimes you can move it down 20 or 30% and still be on four turns. Then when it gets down to one turn check again, usually I can put it down to 10% and get some money in the bank. Then I sell it to the other civs, unless it gives me a wonder, get loads of money in the bank. I whack it up to 90%, losing loads of money per turn, but next advance in only 4 or 5 turns. If it is a wonder giver I can then start building my wonder before any other civ can get near. Then when my wonder is almost built I sell the advance and get etc etc etc

**xane** · November 28, 2001, 08:20

Switching a city to or from Wealth production should mean looking at the sliders anyway.

**War4ever** · November 28, 2001, 13:31

wealth is poorly utilized in this game....i preferred civ2's capitalization.....there were more options with it.....

before economics wealth is a complete waste

**eMarkM** · November 28, 2001, 14:52

In my current Monarch game I'm experimenting with checking sliders every single turn. I want to come up a routine for when the best time to check is. So far, as others have stated, near the end of each discovery and at the beginning of new ones are most beneficial. Also, when you run into the 4/turn wall you can often reduce science dramatically and boost cash big time.

But so far I'm finding out it is to your advantage--as tedious as it is--to check every turn. Depending on your goals, there's almost always something worth tweaking to get that extra few gold that adds up over time. Lower levels this isn't necessary, but you need every dime you can get to compete at higher levels and this is a very effective way of doing it.

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**wunder** · November 28, 2001, 14:53

What if you have Wall Street?

Then I suggest checking each turn if your bellow $1,000. After $1,000 it doesn't really matter because of the $50 max for interest. I don't think it will make a big difference on the total money you made. Compared with if you had changed your science rate on your last turn before you discover your tech. But if your tight on cash, the little extra you can make on the interest can make the difference between beeing able to buy that infantry and not. I personaly try to keep my funds above $1,000 just so I'm fully taking advantage of the Wall Street sm.

**henry296** · November 28, 2001, 18:05

Not sure it matters

I am not sure it matters if you move the slider every turn or just the last one. I think if you tweak every turn you will get some of the gold quicker, but overall the total extra gold should be minimally different.

If you make the move on the last turn you will get a bonzana of gold perhaps 200-300 if not more. This is by going to like 10% on the last turn. If you had been tweaking every turn the last turn you might only get to go down to 20% Science but you got more golds during the past couple of turns. There is some time value of money advantage in that it is better to get some gold up front than all at the end, but if you don't need just wait and make the changes at the end.

Again, I haven't tested this in practice, but what my experience tells me. I'll see if I can give it a try in my next game.

Todd

**Venger** · November 28, 2001, 18:10

I've noticed this too and think it's screwy - first, why is that the case whatsoever? Are the beakers (or whatever) not carried over? Because that would balance this problem out. Tweaking the slider every turn is nonsensical, and shouldn't be rewarding...

Venger

**sophist** · November 28, 2001, 21:07

Venger, if leftover beakers were accumulated, you'd break through the 4-turn limit. Either the limit goes or you throw away the remainders. It's a bit dodgy, but I think it's probably necessary. If they had an option to automatically adjust this in order to maximize both research and revenue for some turn limit, that would be a fair compromise.

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