City beyond size 20??? Why do I want it ?

[knott]

You gets more votes in UN .

[Dimension]

I don't see how population could have anything to do with culture. Your cultural advisor screen tells you your total culture and exactly where every point comes from, and it's just from buildings and wonders in your cities.

I can definitely see how cities over 20 would be useful just for the entertainers, like liupang was originally saying.

But, higher culture and less corruption? This has nothing to do with population.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Less corruption means less waste
Less waste means more shields available to build things
More shields means more production
More production means faster build times for units and city improvements
More city improvements means more culture
More culture means more respect diplomatically
More diplomatic respect means better deals in trade and negociations

There

Hope I made myself clear

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Less corruption means less waste

Hope I made myself clear

I think people are asking what the link is between higher population and less corruption. You didn't explain that.

[liupang]

I am quite disappointed about replies here. Of course I understand with more people I can collect tax and yada yada yada, but the real question is :

UNLIKE civII where you collect a good lot of money or a hell of scinece, every taxman/scientist in Civ III produce a LOUSY 1 gold or 1 science. That's pretty pathetic, and in my opinion probably not worth the trouble(instead to grow all those food, I would rather mine some of my grasslands.) Also, it is stated somewhere that overpopulation create unhappiness. So, to you guys who actually build huge size cities: Does it even worth it?

in civ2, big cities was all the rave; a size 40 city is probably much better than 2 size 20 city. But in civ III, I think I will probably go for the smaller size cities. think about that, even with 10 size 30 cities, you collect a lousy lousy money of 100 per turn. Which is so pathetic IMHO, considering all the costs you have to invest to keep those size 30 city happy.

Plz, some insightful opinions , anyone? if you don't agree, give some analyse, not "I luv big cities and they rock".

[Shiva]

Big cities equal big polution. You start going over 15 pop you get pollution. I have been able to get a city with a production of 99 out of a population of 17 have only four pollution markers. Pollution is tied more into pop than production.

I haven't seen any of this "bigger causes less corruption" stuff. If its true i'd really like to see some proof.

[GreekyGoodness]

Commercial = more tax for more ppl
Industrial = more production for more ppl

So if your civ has either of these attributes, big cities are better than small ones cuz you get production and money bonus' for the extra ppl. That and it was mentioned that bigger cities have less corruption, which is way out of control to begin with so any reduction is helpful.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Well, to test these theories, I loaded up a civ3 game and went to the modern age to see whats better.

I play huge world 8 civs level 2 (i can't get to modern age in Regent yet )

Even though the tax collector and scientist collects very little, if you have say 10 cities at 35, you get an extra 150 beakers or tax collected which is a lot.

[hammi]

Actually..

Tax collectors produce the 1 gold but scientists produce 1 RAW science point which is then modifed by libraries etc. It's clearly stated in the manual.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Thus reinforcing my point

[Grumbold]

Still waiting for you to explain what the link is between higher population and less corruption

[rrrob]

I remember that in Civ:CTP you could put people in factories and have to them generate production without working on a tile. That was a feature I think Civ3 is missing. It kinda makes sense doesn't it? Most production in modern times are generated inside plants around or in cities and not from hills or forests =P.

[vincentz]

Actually cities larger than 22 (the max number of tiles) can be a great resource. Especially if you are playing under communism. All those free people to slaughter in order to get that Tank ready in time. The amazing possibilites! Especially since the cities grow faster than a daisy on Viagra!

[Grunthex]

Originally posted by GreekyGoodness
Commercial = more tax for more ppl
Industrial = more production for more ppl

So if your civ has either of these attributes, big cities are better than small ones cuz you get production and money bonus' for the extra ppl. That and it was mentioned that bigger cities have less corruption, which is way out of control to begin with so any reduction is helpful.

Um, the bonus is 1 production/commerce at size 7, and 1 more (+2) at size 13. Size 35 doesn't seem to help.

[GreekyGoodness]

Originally posted by Grunthex


Um, the bonus is 1 production/commerce at size 7, and 1 more (+2) at size 13. Size 35 doesn't seem to help.

Point well taken...

I guess the only benefit would be entertainers then...but if you have luxuries and a marketplace then they aren't worth the extra pollution.

Or if your a slave driving commie, then an expendable population is pretty useful