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    Ok, so I'm having a little bit of trouble with my most recent game. Although I've beaten Deity a couple of times, I'm by no means a regular Deity player and get a good run for my money every time I attempt a game at this difficulty.

    I've attached the save from 10BC, and what I would like is some advice on how to proceed. I've "helped" others out with their games in the past, and thought it would be cool to receive some criticism for once. Even if you're not a Deity player, your advice is much appreciated.

    Here's a little background:

    The game is Standard-size map, Deity, with everything else random. The land form ended up being Pangea. I'm playing the Japanese (also random), and am basically in the most central location on the continent relative to all the other civs. My opponents are: China (nearest neighbor), India, Rome, Egypt, Mongolia, Korea and Persia (on a nearby island).

    I started out pretty good, using a Granary and numerous Flood Plains to expand into as much land as possible. I only managed to grab two Luxuries, although in retrospect I could have obtained a third. My capital is sitting on Horses, which was nice considering I'm with Japan. I capitalized on Rome and China's lack of Culture priority to sneak a few extra cities to the East and West beyond what I should not reasonably have had access to (I even split the Chinese empire in two!). The Indians had great Culture from the get-go and foiled my plans to expand to the South.

    I kept up in tech quite well by being the broker as long as possible (using gpt to buy techs then selling them off), but inevitably I fell behind at the turn of the Medieval Age. I now have Engineering and Monotheism, while the AIs are at Astronomy and Gunpowder.

    I switched to Republic ASAP and my strategy has been to accumluate a lot of Gold via Marketplaces and to use it to create Culture "bombs" in borders towns next to Rome and China.

    The other civs have basically been engaging in oscillating war against each other (without my interference), and this suits me just fine. Originally everyone declared war on China, and I used a line of Spearmen to more or less dictate the progress of that conflict.

    Trying the "think outside the box" to gain any advantage I could, I realized that I could grab an extra Incense from the Indians by placing a temporary city on the border (see screenshot below). I was quite happy about this move, as India was apparently trading all it's Incense to other civs, and is now offering me a great deal to get some back for their own use. I'm also positioning myself to grab a Dyes from the Chinese (see the other screenshot).

    My major problem is lack of Iron. I could probably mount an offensive of some sort with Samurai, but without Iron my Horsemen are not going anywhere anytime soon.

    The first screenshot below is of the core of my empire. The one great moment in the game so far occurred when I managed to peacefully trap a Chinese Great Leader!

    SO...

    Any advice on how to proceed from here? The lack of Iron is hurting me terribly, as I cannot "make a move". I'm not sure I can win this without going to war, as the Egyptians, Koreans and especially Persians are powerhouses (the Persians because of their protective isolation).

    Help!


    Dominae
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    And her eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming...

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    Core:
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    And her eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming...

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    • #3
      Incense:
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      And her eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming...

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      • #4
        Dyes (city planned for northern Jungle):
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        And her eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming...

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        • #5
          I can't peep in the save (no PTW) and Regent is more my level, but!

          It looks to me like war is the answer both short & long term How does China look in comparison to you - I'm thinking as you didn't list them as a 'powerhouse' civ, that might be the direction to militarily expand (and they obviously have Iron, since I see pikemen) Or perhaps Rome before Cleo engulfs it, but I tihnk China would be a bit easier to defend, being on that NE section away from everyone else. There's also some Spice near Hangchow in your screenie - yet another Lux for you?

          I can't believe I'm trying to give -Dominae- advice...
          But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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          • #6
            Don't go near China yet... Riders = BAAAAD.

            Do any of the other neighboring AI civs not have either iron or horses?
            The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

            Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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            • #7
              It's hard without looking at the save, but the basic facts are this.

              1. You must fight wars to win from this position
              2. You need Iron to fight wars
              3. You have no Iron.

              So ... you need to get yourself some Iron ASAP. Are there any Iron deposits within 5 or 6 tiles of your border? Would a quick war (and paying others to ally with you) be able to net you an Iron source?

              I'm sure you know all this ... but that's all I have to say for the moment.
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              • #8
                Tientsin or Rome are the prime targets for getting Iron. Neither are easy. Tricky....
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                • #9
                  I haven't looked at the save and I've never played deity level, but I'd consider building up a vet warrior force, trade for iron with a civ that has extra (if you can, that is), just long enough to upgrade your forces and attack a civ with iron. Then once you get chivalry you'll already have your iron source. Simple...hopefully.

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                  • #10
                    I think you need to be fighting. Militaristic is one of your traits, and if you are not using it, you are handicapping yourself. Hopefully you have a few barracks, and a decent army. I'd go after the Indians as long as they dont have a unit with 3 defense yet. I thought samurai were good, why not use some?

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                    • #11
                      No iron on Diety... that's brutal. Good luck, Dominae. I'm not even gonna try and advise ('specially w/o looking at the save).

                      -Arrian
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                      • #12
                        I doubt I could win this on Monarch.

                        Dominae: Can you post some saves from later in the game when you get that far? It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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                        • #13
                          Is Rome at the center of Roman territory? It looks like there is a relative straight and short path to get there...

                          I got one word for ya, buddy:

                          Longbowmen. Lots and lots of Longbowman.

                          (ok, that was more than one word )
                          The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                          Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                          • #14
                            Yes, Rome looks like the best prospect for getting Iron. Peacefully is preferable of course, but if you have to fight it should be easier than taking on the Chinese. I'm sure a player of your unquestionable skill could pull it off, Dom.
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                            • #15
                              I am with Theseus on this one. I may have been crazy enough to DL this and mess with it, but I and stuck in AU402 and anything that force a loading of the game is out. Too long and painful, plus I do not have WWW access on that PC. We will cheer you on so it can be added to the So Very Cold thread.

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