Announcement

**Thrumble** · April 9, 2003, 01:14

First you land on the shores of Bob knowing that you are going to war with GoW, ND, and Roleplay. Then you declare war on Gathering Storm. With all these Operations one wonders if your team is entirely made up of surgeons. What are you going to name your third Operation for invading Legoland?

Operation Bricks and Stones?

**Hot_Enamel** · April 9, 2003, 01:27

And to all those players who claimed GoW was opportunists......Pick on GS for a change

All of our horsemen...standing around with nothing to do !!! What a disappointment !

**asleepathewheel** · April 9, 2003, 01:55

Re: Vox Public Announcement - Operation "Immortal Beloved"

Originally posted by BetaHound
First it was trade pact pressures. Then a road being built towards us - but for what purpose?

We had a border agreement, one of the spots you agreed to let us settle is to the north of our core. Are we not allowed to build a road to a city-site? Furthermore, even if we wanted to, how long would it take that one worker to connect a road to your roads? 10, 15 turns? Through at least one square of jungle? Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland of Vox, eh?

Originally posted by BetaHound
And then most recently - the final straw - GS observer warriors moving off of their negotiated positions to cut key road links within Vox. A prelude to invasion?

Hmm. First, the warriors haven't moved in milenia. Secondly, none are on roads. Thirdly, only one is within one square of a cultural radius and the other two are three and four tiles away. Hardly within striking distance of anything valuable.

Originally posted by BetaHound
Vox Controli declares war on Gathering Storm.

A mistake.

If we wanted to go to war with you, then don't you think we would *edited out (do something more vicious than using a few warriors to cut a road

)? Do you think Theseus and Aeson and NBarclay would piss around with these nancy boy tactics?

And, why would we cut your roads while the "invasion" road we were building would take at least 10 more turns to complete? Wouldn't we wait until our roads were connected or nearly so, then make the move to cut you off?

And to think, just yesterday Nathan was arguing on your behalf!

Its on like Donkey Kong.

**Harovan** · April 9, 2003, 01:58

Nice way to commit suicide!

You are history.

**Darekill** · April 9, 2003, 02:05

Starting a war as a small country with four of five nations is not a very clever way to build up a civilization to stand the test of times.

But judging your hybris you could as well declare war on Legoland too.....

**Hot_Enamel** · April 9, 2003, 02:09

Re: Re: Vox Public Announcement - Operation "Immortal Beloved"

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

We had a border agreement, one of the spots you agreed to let us settle is to the north of our core. Are we not allowed to build a road to a city-site? Furthermore, even if we wanted to, how long would it take that one worker to connect a road to your roads? 10, 15 turns? Through at least one square of jungle? Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland of Vox, eh?

If we wanted to go to war with you, then don't you think we would *edited out (do something more vicious than using a few warriors to cut a road

)? Do you think Theseus and Aeson and NBarclay would piss around with these nancy boy tactics?

And, why would we cut your roads while the "invasion" road we were building would take at least 10 more turns to complete? Wouldn't we wait until our roads were connected or nearly so, then make the move to cut you off?

This doesnt make sense ...
Can GS please post a pic

**asleepathewheel** · April 9, 2003, 02:14

Re: Re: Re: Vox Public Announcement - Operation "Immortal Beloved"

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel

This doesnt make sense ...
Can GS please post a pic

I think I'll pass on that one

:P

**nbarclay** · April 9, 2003, 03:18

I find Vox's behavior absolutely amazing!

(1) Early in the game, Gathering Storm and Vox Controli signed a border treaty to determine where the eventual border between our civilizations would be in order to allow both civilizations to focus on expansion instead of engaging in an arms race or a race to settle border areas at the expense of our cores. The northernmost tile of the road our worker is currently building is within the city radius of one of our planned cities on the border treaty map, and is south of another city site that Vox has known for more than a millennium that we would settle eventually.

Centuries ago, Vox built a road that presented a considerably greater potential threat to us. We talked to them and found out that their purpose behind it was to connect a planned city more than half a dozen tiles closer to us than their closest previous city. We accepted their word, and while we have kept an observer in the unowned territory between Dissidentville and Vox's main core in order to limit the military threat the road poses, we accepted the legitimacy of their actions. In contrast, to the best of my knowledge, Vox never even tried to contact us about their concerns regarding our road - a road that extends only two tiles north of our current cultural borders and that is intended to lead to the second and third of the next three cities we've been planning to settle.

(2) In the years before Gathering Storm gained contact with other civilizations, we did in fact sign a technological exchange treaty with Vox Controli. That treaty had explicit provisions allowing for cancellation by either side with advance notice. Since Vox Controli's expansion has been inefficient enough that their research rate is now well under half of ours, we have been attempting to renegotiate the agreement on terms that would better reflect the disparity in research power. (And in any case, I'm skeptical that Vox has been doing much research to live up to their side of the agreement lately, given the military expenditures they have been engaged in.)

(3) I know I did not move any of our picket warriors deliberately last turn (I was the one who played it), and it is hard to conceive of how I could possibly have done so accidentally in between the time I took our turn screenshot and the time I sent the turn to Neu Demogyptica. In any case, to the best of my knowledge (and I am one of the normal points of diplomatic contact between Gathering Storm and Vox), Vox made no attempt to contact us to ask what was going on.

I see nothing in Gathering Storm's recent actions that has violated either the letter or the spirit of our agreements with Vox Controli, nor do I see anything that poses any kind of special threat to Vox. And even to the extent that Vox may have seen some of our actions as particularly threatening, they should have discussed their concerns with us instead of declaring war all of a sudden the very turn a trade deal between our civs was completed.

Vox seems intent on proving themselves to the entire world to be untrustworthy and unstable. Soon they can expect to be unliving as well.

Nathan

[Edited to reflect verification that Vox accepted the deal before declaring war.]

**notyoueither** · April 9, 2003, 03:21

They lied. So what. Let's get it on!

**FrustratedPoet** · April 9, 2003, 03:57

**Tiberius** · April 9, 2003, 05:17

What is this supposed to be? A stack of frustrated poets?

**alva** · April 9, 2003, 05:21

Don't know if I should laugh, or feel sorry

To other teams; this is what we to live with for 1000s of years...

**Tiberius** · April 9, 2003, 06:02

Hmm, I hope you're not talking about me

**Thrumble** · April 9, 2003, 06:07

Originally posted by Tiberius
What is this supposed to be? A stack of frustrated poets?

Announcement

Vox Public Announcement - Operation "Immortal Beloved"

Vox Public Announcement - Operation "Immortal Beloved"

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