Vox Public Announcement

[Darekill]

Oh no problem we will get what we want, one way or another be sure you will have a hard life on borconia if at all...

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel

Perhaps GS should consider their actions, if they found themselves in ND, GoW's or RP's position, and discovered an invasion force and a settler preparing to create a city as a staging point for war.

Invasion force? Two immortals looks more like a deterrent against an attack on the settler/city than like anything intended for offensive operations. Staging point for war? The city would definitely have that potential if Vox would choose to use it that way, but my impression is that economics alone provide ample reason for Vox to want a city there. And it's not as if Vox is the biggest, most powerful civ on Apolyton. So the question if I were in that situation would be, is kicking Vox off the continent worth the price I'd have to pay relative to other civs if I'd fight them?

Of course Darekill's charge that Vox said they'd leave and then didn't raises some additional concerns from ND's perspective beyond the purely pragmatic.

[DeepO]

Originally posted by nbarclay
Of course Darekill's charge that Vox said they'd leave and then didn't raises some additional concerns from ND's perspective beyond the purely pragmatic.

I agree to your points, Nathan, but this last one is putting it mildly... We would probably go to war over this alleged kind of dishonesty too. Even if I personally agree that Vox has some special rights which makes this an exceptional situation, instead of a militaristic expansion, nobody should lie, ever.

If they promised to leave, they should leave. If they didn't, other teams might consider Vox's position a bit, some compromis should be possible here, IMHO.

DeepO

[Beta]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel

We are not greedy, the land is simply a spoil of war. Both ND & GoW earned the rights to the land.

Hah. I agree that you should have rights to all the land that was Lux's. No argument there. But this was never Lux's!! That's the point NeuD and GoW seem to be missing.

[Beta]

Originally posted by nbarclay


Invasion force? Two immortals looks more like a deterrent against an attack on the settler/city than like anything intended for offensive operations. Staging point for war? The city would definitely have that potential if Vox would choose to use it that way, but my impression is that economics alone provide ample reason for Vox to want a city there. And it's not as if Vox is the biggest, most powerful civ on Apolyton. So the question if I were in that situation would be, is kicking Vox off the continent worth the price I'd have to pay relative to other civs if I'd fight them?

Thank-you Nathan. Nicely put.

[Beta]

Originally posted by nbarclay

So the question if I were in that situation would be, is kicking Vox off the continent worth the price I'd have to pay relative to other civs if I'd fight them?

And one more point to add to Nathan's comments - and that is taking on Lux before they had an army ready will certainly be different than taking on a Vox city defended by spearmen and immortals. As the city is surrounded by grassland tiles, the NeuD swordsmen will be dead before they even get a chance to attack - and it will take a lot of GoW horsemen to break through. Casualties will be high. And for what - a corner of a continent far from both capitols.

The emotions I can understand. The logic eludes me.

And to all those who have suggested we should have asked or informed them first - do you honestly think their reaction would have been more positive? Even before we had planned on landing we had been told we weren't welcome.

[alva]

We are not greedy, the land is simply a spoil of war. Both ND & GoW earned the rights to the land.

What war?!

You didn't fight a single battle.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by BetaHound
And for what - a corner of a continent far from both capitols.

Wait a minute, I thought you said it was close to your capital!

The truth revealed!

[Jon Miller]

far from both your capitals

Jon Milelr

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Jon Milelr

Is this a hip new spelling of your last name?

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by alva


What war?!

You didn't fight a single battle.

We huffed and we puffed and blew their towns down.

There was one battle.
Horseman vs worker.
It was a close fight, but our horseman was victorious.

[alva]

* alva rushes to Grand Poobah to tell him, our worker army strategy might not cut it ! *

[alva]

Horseman vs worker.

Hey, almost missed that !!!

I demand for all slaves to set free right away !!!

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by BetaHound
Hah. I agree that you should have rights to all the land that was Lux's. No argument there. But this was never Lux's!! That's the point NeuD and GoW seem to be missing.

Fine. Stay and devote enormous amounts into a futile battle that you cannot win. If you think that GS is just going to sit back and watch the fire works, your nuts.

I doesn't matter if you think our claim is valid, we have made it and are going to back it up Militarily.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

It isn't so much that another civ claims the land as do you think you can sucessfully defend it from three civs who don't have to rely on ships and harbors to assault the city.