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I still want to know why you guys moved onto the flats, Beta. Why not tell? It's in the past now.
-Arrian
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grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
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Since that situation is "water under the bridge" now, I can help shed some light on our reasoning:Originally posted by Arrian
I still want to know why you guys moved onto the flats, Beta. Why not tell? It's in the past now.
-Arrian
Basically, the Immortals in question had been effectively cut off and stuck on their mountain top. So, with the "peace talks" gearing up, we figured that we would show our support for a cease-fire by moving the force in question down to the flats - which we mentioned to you in our prior peace talks message to you. If the Immortals were not attacked - Great, we then had the chance of trying to get them back north again. If the Immortals were attacked and wiped out (which of course they were), this "aggessive action" on the part of GS could be used as an added reason for Vox support in the international community - which it was.
So you see, since the force in question was not being put to good use, we decided to put it to good use as a political pawn in the diplomatic arena...after all, this game is more than just performing your moves and passing the turn to the next player. Political intrigue is a big element.
I think I covered all of the aspects surrounding the incident...did I miss anything Beta?
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No, not that group of immortals.
I'm talking about a move made MUCH earlier in the war.
Your main stack was advancing down the mountains toward Arashi. But then you guys split off a group that headed East toward Sandstorm. That group was, IIRC, entirely composed of regulars, and was wiped out.
But thank you for this:
-ArrianBasically, the Immortals in question had been effectively cut off and stuck on their mountain top. So, with the "peace talks" gearing up, we figured that we would show our support for a cease-fire by moving the force in question down to the flats - which we mentioned to you in our prior peace talks message to you. If the Immortals were not attacked - Great, we then had the chance of trying to get them back north again. If the Immortals were attacked and wiped out (which of course they were), this "aggessive action" on the part of GS could be used as an added reason for Vox support in the international community - which it was.grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
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I checked out turn threads... you guys moved 1x vet immortal & 3x regular immortals (1 of which was down to 2hp) to the tile due east of Arashi (Arashi 6). This was in 610bc.
Why?
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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That was nice.
If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.Comment
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We should rename this thread "The Voxietnam War: Analysis and Commentary."Comment
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May I make a title suggestion too?
How about...
Suicide commando
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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The Immortals moving to the plains near Arashi... was that the situation when I phoned Theseus 4am in the morning (his time)? That was funny.
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Yeah, when Vox was thretening Arashi, The tension was so high, it was palatable... There must have been a couple of dozen posts (in or forum) along the lines of.. Where is the save? Is it here yet? What's taking so long? The suspense was killing us. Our chickens were chomping at the bit because we wouldn't count them until they were all hatched. I loved it. Then finally, off the mountian Vox did come and there was much rejoycing. We stood a chance. Up untill then it was real touch and go. Much of the planning was along the lines of aborbing the first wave and preparing for the second wave. After we dealt with immortals that came off the mountains , we started to dream of a day where we could go on the offensive.The Immortals moving to the plains near Arashi... was that the situation when I phoned Theseus 4am in the morning (his time)? That was funny.
MssRemember.... pillage first then burn.Comment
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Ah, that group. Well, if we left them next to your city for much longer they would have been toast - since your catapults were getting extra training by using our Immortals as target practice!Originally posted by Arrian
I checked out turn threads... you guys moved 1x vet immortal & 3x regular immortals (1 of which was down to 2hp) to the tile due east of Arashi (Arashi 6). This was in 610bc.
Why?
-Arrian
So we decided to split them up and head in two different directions - basically to try and push back the surrounding "fog of war." In another words, we decided to use them as "combat scouts" since your cities by that time were well defended and the mountain route back to our territory had already been cut off. But I'm glad it got your attention...I stated that it probably would in our forum (ie, hopefully confuse you for a turn or so..."are there reinforcements that you can't see?" and possibly force you to commit other forces to deal with our scouting excursion).
Ah well, it was at least worth the try.
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"One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996
"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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I would say it kind of worked, we had to think it through. Basically we had to deal with your little splinter group without comprimising established defenses. Although we dealt with it, It took us a couple of turns where we had to beef up some defenses and attack the splinter group. Had the group been larger, we might have had more issues, but it couldn't happen without giving up your position at Ashari 9.... Books can be written about the debate regarding that single square.
Basicaly I rember Vox recieving kudos for the splinter move, If it were stronger, it might have done more good, but you would have lost A9 sooner considering the forces in the area.
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It was certainly an intense period of the game.
I spent the whole week saying to myself "WTF!!! How did we get into this mess??!!"
You should have attacked... using up Immortal attack strength for scouting on plains is, uh, silly, although yes, the very nature of the splinter made things tough on us.The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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Agreed, that was kind of scary but oh so much fun.Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
Yeah, when Vox was thretening Arashi, The tension was so high, it was palatable... There must have been a couple of dozen posts (in or forum) along the lines of.. Where is the save? Is it here yet? What's taking so long? The suspense was killing us. Our chickens were chomping at the bit because we wouldn't count them until they were all hatched. I loved it.
My favourite moment so far - and probably my favourite Civ moment ever, actually - was the turnchat we held right after GoW landed those two horsemen on our west coast. There were a few of us hanging out in the chat-room, discussing which stack to hit first (there were about 3 Voxian stacks we want to hit, in addition to GoW). Each catapult shot was accompanied by a drum roll and a big cheer if it hit and a round of boos if it missed. We sent the WC's into battle and watched as they won victory's, gained promotions or fell valiantly. The rush and excitement when we lucked out and got that GL (with our first ever Elite victory) was amazing. There was dancing in the streets of Stormia that night.
Now THAT is what this game is all about.If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.Comment
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Theseus: If you join the Cake or Death civgroup then I can let you into our private forum. The rest of us have been there for a few days, although the game hasn't started yet (should get going this weekend). I sent you a PM about it, but I don't know if you got it.If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.Comment
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Books can be written about the debate regarding that single square.
Can !!! don't you mean have been...
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We must include that we did have a very kind RNG that turn (even without the GL).
I remember many people alrady planning to give up the city (Monsoon).
Which could have lead this thing in a complete different direction.
Look at what Beta can do while getting hammered, can you imagine what would have happened if they would been able to sack a city.
(even if it was next to worthless, or at least not important).
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That turn chat was fun indeed, stayed in that room with DeepO and Vel well passed bedtime (sun was high on the sky when did go to bed
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