Public Announcement from Gathering Storm

[DeepO]

GK, with one thing I don't agree on: you should not feel bad.

Before someone gets upset with what I wrote a few posts up, I was not trying to put any blame on anyone within RP, I was just pointing out that I know we messed up, but we were hardly alone. Plus, RP isn't the only team we have this 'problem' with, all our diplomatic contacts have degraded, and they weren't superb in the first place (the only ones we regularly talked to for a long time was Vox, and see what that brought us).

As to the issue of language (again ), it's not the spelling that matters, it's the understanding of nuances that I lack. Not only does this show in my postings (they can be more easily misinterpreted), but I don't always grasp the subtleties of what others say either. The two of us managed fine, I think, in that what we thought was really important was repeated enough. But still, it certainly is part of the reason why communication broke down, together with rl issues on both sides.

Theseus: I like the idea of an ombudsman, however in part, Zeit as our FM takes that role already. It's not often used, though... maybe another thing to look into (great, more talk of plans )

DeepO

[BigFree]

Originally posted by Panzer32

RP and GS's security must be totally obliterated with this thread.

Maybe GS's but not RP's. We have not said one word about what we will do, one way or the other. If you want to assume so, be my guest, but you know where that might lead you...

[Jon Shafer]

It's like estranged lovers getting back together again.

[BigFree]

Originally posted by GodKing


I was at the beginning asked to be ambasador from RP to GS. I happily accepted. Unfortunately, as time went on (as someone stated above, PBEM does take a long time), and my circumstances changed. I had a hard drive go bad. I had some massive RL committments. All sorts of things. As such, I resigned my position. Ninot was the only other member of our RP team to accept the position as a replacement, but unfortunately, he has disappeared (I have no idea why, so I have no blame for him). To date, nobody on my team has volunteered to take his (or my) place.

hehe

I made you the ambassador to GS a little while back. You didn't know this? Then there's a good reason you've been ignoring my requests! JK!

[DeepO]

Originally posted by dejon
Don't tell me you've been taking clues from what BetaHound says?!?!

Argh... I had totally forgotten about that... talk about an unreliable source

No, really, more then one clue was mentioned in this thread, there is no need to go over them one by one. But just a quick example of something RP said here, which could at the time without much fantasy been taken as some kind of support to the war: when we offered Feud, RP was already paying 18 gpt. Now we have no way of knowing where that money went to, but we do know that Vox traded techs to RP just turns earlier... it isn't that far fetched to combine that with the initial comments by some RPers and assume that Vox was getting sponsored. Sure, it may be a purely economical thing for RP, but seeing it from our PoV, Vox was getting paid, and used that money to backstab us. At that time, and not even now do did we consider that as something we saw as damaging our relation (the same way as there isn't any grudge in our team against GoW selling 'our' feud to everyone else, they are in their right doing it, so why would we be upset about it to them), but it was one of those small things that in the end let us assume more is going on.

Again, I do not want to say that RP was the only 'ally' of Vox, not even that they were an ally in the weakest sense of the word, but we knew Vox was getting paid from somewhere, most likely multiple sources. Piling assumption on assumption eventually lead us to this thread, and all comments in them.

DeepO

[Thud]

RP often does give you the feeling that anything you may say will be picked apart and searched for hidden meaning. Whether they do or not, that is the feeling you get from them at times.

Oh, I'm pretty sure we've done this at least once. Not all the time, but we certainly do like to read into things. Heck, we seem to be the only ones with enough people to pull it off....

We're not really such a conniving bunch. You'll find us to be truly loyal allies, should you ever befriend us. It fits with the RP.

[Thud]

The War Against Luxian Agression

Would someone like to tell me what genius propagandist came up with that one?

[DeepO]

Togas?

DeepO

[E_T]

Originally posted by DeepO

Argh... I had totally forgotten about that... talk about an unreliable source

But just a quick example of something RP said here, which could at the time without much fantasy been taken as some kind of support to the war: when we offered Feud, RP was already paying 18 gpt. Now we have no way of knowing where that money went to, but we do know that Vox traded techs to RP just turns earlier... it isn't that far fetched to combine that with the initial comments by some RPers and assume that Vox was getting sponsored.
DeepO

DeepO

Besides us, Vox and you (GS), there are 3 other teams in this game. Assuming that we were paying them for something (specifically to help them against you) is the highest order of an what an assumption becomes. It makes an A** of you and me (A**-U-ME = Assume).

This is were better communications help things out.

E_T

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Thud
Would someone like to tell me what genius propagandist came up with that one?

That's a low blow.

[notyoueither]

E_T.

1. Togas is a self-acknowledged despot. That is the form of government your team chose. His word is law, although he allows people on the team a lot of leeway.

2. Togas has been openly hostile to GS, and specifcally some members of GS more so.

3. From 1 and 2, it is not unreasonable for members of GS to conclude that RP is 'officially' hostile towards GS. Especially when combined with some other perhaps unfortunate sequences of events (or lack thereof) such as the diplomacy being dropped.

Time and subsequent events may prove 3 to be incorrect, but please don't pretend that there is no basis for it.

[BigFree]

Togas has not been hostile towards GS members.

Togas has been hotile toward Apoltyon member's, some of whom are on the GS team.

Togas is no longer a Despot, we are in a Monarchy, he must answer to the people or they will call for his head.

There's basis to think that every team wants to destroy every other team; it's the order of that conclusion that is up for debate and the progress of the game to determine.

GS can hardly say that it doesn't want RP destroyed as well as RP saying they want GS destroyed. Everyone wants to win, some Civ's will likely be detroyed in the process. Also, every team will attack someone or be attacked in this game beofre it is over, have no doubts about that. It is the nature of the GAME.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by BigFree
Togas has not been hostile towards GS members.

Togas has been hotile toward Apoltyon member's, some of whom are on the GS team.

Togas is no longer a Despot, we are in a Monarchy, he must answer to the people or they will call for his head.

Are you being serious? Are you familiar with the thread where myself and several other GS members lost any desire to be part of PTWDG II? Have you seen any chat transcripts subsequent to that thread?

Good for you re Monarchy. Things can change.

[BigFree]

I'm not saying that there wasn't any friction, but I believe that the friction was due to personalities and had nothing to do with the actual team you are on. The fact that you were on the GS team and he on the RP team, just added a label for each of you to attack; which was and is unfourtunate.

[notyoueither]

I think you are looking past some things, BigFree. Have another look at that thread. I will not presume to speak for all members of GS, but I know how I view Togas' words there, and in a chat afterward.

Yes, he has refined it to 'some members' of GS. That is not how it started, from my POV.