Viking city list

[Albert]

I ment that copenhagen should be named roskilde, casue that was the biggeste viking settlement in that region.

sorry for the misunderstanding

[SanPellegrino]

Originally posted by Albert

And since its not the vikings anymore, but the scandinavians, it has to be taken seriously that the scandinavians only has been a more or less a united civilization during the viking era.

I don't know much about scandinavian history but wasn't scandinavia in the age of the vikings a loose agglomeration of duchies and principalities either? (of course I know names of kings, Harald Bluetooth or something? but never heard of a king ruling whole scandinavia. But wasnt there the Kalmar Union (spelling?) in 15./16,. century with Scandinavia united?

Forgive my half-knowledge and plz correct me if I am wrong.

[Albert]

Originally posted by SanPellegrino


I don't know much about scandinavian history but wasn't scandinavia in the age of the vikings a loose agglomeration of duchies and principalities either? (of course I know names of kings, Harald Bluetooth or something? but never heard of a king ruling whole scandinavia. But wasnt there the Kalmar Union (spelling?) in 15./16,. century with Scandinavia united?

Forgive my half-knowledge and plz correct me if I am wrong.

alright I will correct you with my 3/4 knowledge, and give you all a lesson in viking history.

alliance?
The reason for me saying that we were more or less united during the viking era is that though there were some fights, they had in common that the viking countries were overpopulated, wich resulted in an emigration from these countries to england, eastern euorope and Normandie.
this again led to fights and plundering of these newly occupaid areas.

The vikings had a common language
and a common culture and stood united against the church. the vikings were exelent boat builders and had some of the best triremes the history has ever seen. this boats made the come quick and unexpected on their enemies.

this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.


kings:
In ca 850 a.d. or so, the norwegian king Harald Haarfagre (harald nicehair in english, a long story) united norway. Harald bluetooth was a danish king, but as fare as I know, was it king Knut of denmark (Canute in civ2) that was one of the greatest kings in the viking era. Invading a lot of England.
My favorite is Eirik Bloodaxe, just because he has a great name and I can Imagine how he was.
The history of norwegian viking kings was written down by a man called Snorre Sturlason on Island and is considered to be one of the greatest and one of the last writed works of the viking era, and was probably written as a political story book to decide who was the right inherator to the thrown.
A boring book with more than 1000 pages, but a lot of killing and glamour.

The Kalmar union:
The Kalmar union was not a union of scandinavia, but between sweden and norway, and was not a union, more a sort of occupation. while the danish had control of norway til 1814, frequently fighting the swedish since the swedish was allied with the bloddy englishmen, and Denmark was allied with France. And as we all know, the french and the englishmen weren`t actually wery good amigos. after an english/swedish victory over the french/danish close to the danish border, the danish gave norway to sweden in fear that the remaining swedish soldiers would attack denmark.
But what they didn`t give away was greenland and those islands north of england. These Islands and greenland had been norwegian since the viking era but belongs now to denmark since the swedish didn`t ask for those.

in 1905 norway was realeased from sweden, and since there was noone that could be related back to the viking kings they inserted a danish prince on the thrown, and its his grandson who is king at this moment, and though we still don`t like the swedish, we havent had a better relationship since the vikings

thats all
albert out

[SanPellegrino]

thx for the information. I did know that sturlsson collected those ancient tales today known as the Edda, but didn't know that he wrote other books.

Originally posted by Albert
this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.

are you kidding? the Viking UU is the Berzerk replaces longbow, 6-2-1 and can make amphib assaults.

[Cesa]

Originally posted by Albert
this is why I think the viking special unit should be some early type of marine. atacking from a trireme.
can someone tell me what it is by the way.

It's some early type of marine, attacking from a tireme

Originally posted by Albert and though we still don`t like the swedish, we havent had a better relationship since the vikings

So true


To be serious, Sweden and Norway could very well be the two most alike countries in the world, and some people say the border shouldn't exist...but I don't know, I wouldn't go to close to a person with röd&blå toppluva och en lusekofte...

[MoonWolf]

Nice list, Hagbart! (PS. Leser du Peter Madsens Valhall?) Maybe Bergen (then Bjørgvin) wasn't so important in the Viking-period, but it sure was some years later so maybe you should bring it higher on the list. Also, as Gangerolf pointed out, Trondheim was call Nidaros

Can't remember his name, but it's actually an Arab who is also a great source to our history. He travelled with the Vikings who reached Istanbul (I think) and he wrote down his observations in a neutral way not coloured by religion or culture.

Hehe, pass deg nå, Cesa, ellers kommer DDE og tar deg! Men dere har jo danseband da (*grøss*)...

[Cesa]

Originally posted by MoonWolf
Men dere har jo danseband da

Don't use bad language in here plz

[Albert]

Yeah, the list is great, but I wouldn`t use both Trondheim and Nidaros, or Roskilde and Copenhagen

Originally posted by MoonWolf

Can't remember his name, but it's actually an Arab who is also a great source to our history. He travelled with the Vikings who reached Istanbul (I think) and he wrote down his observations in a neutral way not coloured by religion or culture.

thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

Yepp, thats us, the scandinavs. And were here to eat you all.

Originally posted by MoonWolf
Hehe, pass deg nå, Cesa, ellers kommer DDE og tar deg! Men dere har jo danseband da (*grøss*)...

translation: Watch out, Cesa, or the famous norwegian lokal music group DDE will get you. But of course, you guys got the dancemusic groups for people over 67.

[Purple]

Originally posted by Signa
BTW in PTW the Vikings are no longer offically known as the Vikings, they are the Scandanavians. So the cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen are acceptable. Of course, you might have a bone to pick with the fact that they are not the Vikings anymore.

Actually, I believe some of the dialogs still refer to Vikings.

[MoonWolf]

Originally posted by Cesa

Don't use bad language in here plz

Did you mean my Norwegian or the word "danseband" (=dansemusic gruop for old people)?

Originally posted by Albert

thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

Yepp, thats us, the scandinavs. And were here to eat you all.

Didn't know they ate women... I know, from the same Arab guy (Ali Baba? ), that it was some sex involved when they buried their chiefs, but eating people? Maybe the Viking UU should have had a "fear" parameter, or automatically damaging (from eating) units they went pass!

Think of it the next time you handshake with a Scandivian. Maybe he isn't really introducing himself, he just checks your hand's quality...

[aaglo]

Wow... there were vikings in civ2 too!?

[Albert]

Originally posted by MoonWolf


Did you mean my Norwegian or the word "danseband" (=dansemusic gruop for old people)?

of course, if anyone in this forum actually likes this music, I would like to throw them out of here. though I don`t know your age, if your over 67 it`s ok

Originally posted by MoonWolf

Didn't know they ate women... I know, from the same Arab guy (Ali Baba? ), that it was some sex involved when they buried their chiefs, but eating people? Maybe the Viking UU should have had a "fear" parameter, or automatically damaging (from eating) units they went pass!

Think of it the next time you handshake with a Scandivian. Maybe he isn't really introducing himself, he just checks your hand's quality...

maybe it was just raping, Not sure, but think it was more vikinish to eat them afterwards. And the eat instead of bombardment seems like aa good idea.
its like the game gets more alive with this sort of options

[Gangerolf]

BTW in PTW the Vikings are no longer offically known as the Vikings, they are the Scandanavians. So the cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen are acceptable. Of course, you might have a bone to pick with the fact that they are not the Vikings anymore.

They are still called Vikings, but the country name is Scandinavia(just like Egyptians & Egypt, Zulus & Zululand and so on.).

One complain about that as well, considering that there were Vikings outside of Scandinavia as well (e.g. the British Isles and Iceland), but that I wont do.

[Gangerolf]

thats true. I don`t remember his name either since it probably wasn`t a too easy name for us norwegians.
though I remember having about this in historyclass, this man wrote down how the vikings sacrifased a women and ate her afterwards.

I believe his name was Ibn Fadlan.

I don't think they ate anyone but they burnt some slave women during the burial of one of their leaders. Sorry to disappoint you

[Gangerolf]

****e this thread made me think of "Vikingarna"