How to stop planes bombing your ships?

[Baggio]

In real life carriers carry more fighters or are at least multi-role as in they carry out most of the bombing missions. Bombers are rarely based on them.

Bombers to me seems like B-52s basing them on aircraft carriers is not possible in reality.

But in PTW, I use them primarily to host bombers so I can ship off a few carriers and bomb the hell out of the AI and support marines on transports invading them etc.....having 2 fighters out of 4 planes on a carrier to protect the surrounding support naval units like battelships seems like a waste.

Anyhow, my main gripe was that enemy planes would soften up my naval units significantly and the AI would pop out with its warships and sink my ships which by now are red status......it takes only a hit to sink my expensive battleship!

And then they pop back into the safety of their cities and I have to send another unit to fortify around there and chase them.....

I want to bombard AI cities with 3-4 battleships and if there are any planes to soften me up for attack, I want a anti-aircraft ship as support !! I agree that destroyers should be anti-sub as they are more nimble......AEGIS Cruisers are primarily anti-missile and anti-aircraft.

[Tuberski]

Re: How to stop planes bombing your ships?

Originally posted by Baggio
I would like to see an anti-aircraft naval unit, perhaps the AEGIS cruiser can take on this role.......in real life I remember the AEGIS radar to be an anti-missle and anti-aircraft capable.......thus it makes sense to be able to launch missles or at least VULCAN cannons to shoot down opposing aircraft doesn't it?

Let me know what you all think!

The VULCAN cannons, as you put it, are not made to shoot aircraft from the sky, it is a missle defense system only.

How do I know? I worked on it for 5 years.

Mk 15 Mod 0 Close IN Weapon System Or simply CIWS.

Or, as we liked to call it, R2D2 with a penis.

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[Baggio]

Don't they have other anti-aircraft missile systems?

Then what are the navy ships or systems primarily used for air defence? All ships should have them right? Or do specific units have anti-aircraft roles?

Perhaps the designers could come up with a new anti-aircraft unit with anti-sub capabilities.....that would be shweeeeeet....

[mullenstephen]

i would love to see a B-2 stealth bomber on a carrier in real life...

i think this is a fair trade off.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Baggio
Anyhow, my main gripe was that enemy planes would soften up my naval units significantly and the AI would pop out with its warships and sink my ships which by now are red status......it takes only a hit to sink my expensive battleship!

And then they pop back into the safety of their cities

That's exactly what I do when the AI has a better navy - 1. soften with aircraft 2. sneak a ship out of port 3. sneak back into port.

[Dis]

What about the Phalanx?- which is also called CIWS

Or on my aircraft carrier we also had the Sea Sparrow missle launchers. I wasn't a gunner's mate or anything- I'm not sure. I was an engineer- machinist mate to be exact.

I thought the systems were designed to counter both missiles and aircraft.

Although I still have dreams of mounting a Phalanx gatling gun in my front and back yards for home defense

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident
What about the Phalanx?- which is also called CIWS

Or on my aircraft carrier we also had the Sea Sparrow missle launchers. I wasn't a gunner's mate or anything- I'm not sure. I was an engineer- machinist mate to be exact.

I thought the systems were designed to counter both missiles and aircraft.

Although I still have dreams of mounting a Phalanx gatling gun in my front and back yards for home defense

PHALANX and CIWS are the same thing. Gunner's mates actually don't work on Sea Sparrow or Phalanx, they are FC only systems.

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[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Dissident
do carriers have less movement?
Surely that cannot be right. I served in the navy. And the carriers are the fastest ships in the navy.

its right as far as firaxis is concerned. they move one less per turn than battleships and destroyers IIRC.

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by ruby_maser
It's right as far as firaxis is concerned. They move one less per turn than battleships and destroyers IIRC.

Anyone who thinks that a "Battleship" is JUST one (or more) battleship has got to be the type that thinks that a "Warrior" is just one individual.

Would you think a Transport unit has NO escort if it could defend itself against an Ironclad??

To me, a Destroyer is a flotilla of ships of various type, based on a core of destroyers or cruisers. Battleship: a heavy flotilla based on a core of battleships. Carrier: Includes a small escort and support ships.

The logistical tail of the carrier unit, along with its having to move against the wind to launch aircraft contributes to its lower movement.

[Baggio]

Interesting concept Jaybe....didn't think if it this way but its logical.

Still they should have some sort of anti-aircraft ability especially carriers, due to its value and cost they wouldnt want to neglect anti-aircraft abilities. At present all ships are defenseless against air attacks.

If not, at least leave it to another specialised ship or escort unit......that would make gameplay more varied and interesting.

[CorpusScorpius]

Originally posted by mullenstephen
i would love to see a B-2 stealth bomber on a carrier in real life...

i think this is a fair trade off.

B-2 is too big & more than likely too heavy. I am not sure but the B-2 would also be too tall to fit in the hangar deck inside of the carrier.

[CorpusScorpius]

Hey Tuberski, is the Vulcan cannon the same one they Use in the Jet fighters today. I worked on F-14s as Aircraft Electrician(didnt work on the cannon) & seem to remember the same name used on the Tomcats Gun.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by CorpusScorpius
Hey Tuberski, is the Vulcan cannon the same one they Use in the Jet fighters today. I worked on F-14s as Aircraft Electrician(didnt work on the cannon) & seem to remember the same name used on the Tomcats Gun.

20 MM, 6 Barrels, I've worked on the F-16, and I KNOW that they use the same gun, not sure about the F-14.


EDIT: The name of the GUN is the VULCAN, so yes they would be the same.

PHALANX includes the search and track radars and the fire control computer also.

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[CorpusScorpius]

Originally posted by Tuberski


20 MM, 6 Barrels, I've worked on the F-16, and I KNOW that they use the same gun, not sure about the F-14.


EDIT: The name of the GUN is the VULCAN, so yes they would be the same.

PHALANX includes the search and track radars and the fire control computer also.

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Thanks for the rapid response , I did some quick research & it is indeed the same gun. The only difference is the amount of rounds a plane can carry vs. the ship guns (2x)

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by CorpusScorpius


Thanks for the rapid response , I did some quick research & it is indeed the same gun. The only difference is the amount of rounds a plane can carry vs. the ship guns (2x)

Yep, we could empty our gun in less than 20 seconds.



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