Korean Golden Age Question

[Ghengis-Sean]

Okay, here's a question for all you smart kids out there. When a Civ's UU kills something for the first time your Civ rolls into a Golden Age. Now Korea's UU is that Rocket launcher thingy; the hwach'a (how in the hell is that supposed to be pronounced by the way?) Any way, the question is, the hwach'a a bombarment unit, when was the last time you bombarded someone to death???

I mean a cannon can do 1 hp of damage, no matter how cool the hwach'a is, it's going to be a pain in the but to go out and actually KILL something with it. Artillery is not designed to kill in this game, it's designed to soften units up so your attack units can kill them off. Killing something with the hwach'a is going to be tricky I think.

So I guess the Koreans either get really lucky with their rocket launcher, or they build a wonder and get lucky from that. Sucks to be them.

[NeoStar]

Maybe it would work as long as they get their first hit. Reducing HP is a 'kill' for artillery. I'll be very surprsed if what your saying is true - that would be a dum mistake considering the time spent on PTW.

[WarpStorm]

Firaxis has said in one of the chats that they get their GA thorough wonder building. From experience with the unit, I believe them.

[Ghengis-Sean]

Yeah, that's what I thought. to be honest, i'm probably going to not use the Koreans, give their unit to the Chinese, and ditch the Rider. I love the Rider, but it's kind of silly for the Chinese to have a better mounted unit than the Mongols (come on how can you not love those lovable lugs!!!!)

Like your water-colors by the way

[Argos65987]

I'm not at home to check right now, but I thought the hwach'a had lethal land bombardment turned on. I'll check tonite if no one checks the unit in the editor and posts here before then.

[Sheik]

It does not have any lethal bombard but does have the starts golden age flag checked.

[Randolph]

I thought it did have lethal bombardment? I haven't checked the editor though.

[Minmaster]

it says it does on civ3.com civ profiles, but it doesnt in actual game.

[Boris Godunov]

Yeah, the Koreans kinda get shafted here. I am tempted to switch their UU with something else so the playing field is even.

[Randolph]

In that case I plan on giving it LB in my game (I'm sure everyone really cares)

[Robber Baron]

So will modding the unit to lethal bombardment give it the power to trigger a GA?

[WarpStorm]

Yes, but it may be a bit unbalanced (although that's what we did in the BTM).

[Kingof the Apes]

What are the Koreans civ traits?
And what is the Hwacha's stats?


I certainly think that Korea would be one of the most interesting new civs to play, as they have the strangest UU.

[Ghengis-Sean]

The Koreans are a Commercial Scientific civ, and the Hwach'a replaces the cannon, has a move of 1, ROF 1, bombard 12 (versus the cannon's 8) . Based on the artwork I'm assuming that it's some kind of rocket launcher, which is pretty good figuring that artillery also has a bombard of 12. It's a good unit, just don't expect to rush out and start your golden age off. Generally speaking I don't tend to build alot of artillery units, so I'm not sure how hot I am to try this one out.

A better unit might be the "Turtle" ships the Koreans used to cut the Japanese army off from Japan with (thereby forcing the Japan to get out of Korea) in the 1590's. They were a sort of armor plated galleon, used to interdict shipping. Considering the Koreans were never really noted for amazing artillery, it's interesting that Firaxis chose this particular unit. Of course alot of their other choices are pretty goofy too, the Berserk requires INVENTION??? uh, my history might be off but didn't the Vikings come BEFORE knights and pikeman and longbowmen? and the reason they went away is because knights and longbowman and pikeman sort of beat them out? Well not in Firaxis land apparently

[Chronus]

I certainly think that Korea would be one of the most interesting new civs to play, as they have the strangest UU.

I played as the Koreans in my second game. Good game! (even though I lost)

Anyway, the part that kind of throws me off is this: catapults and hwach'as can upgrade to artillery . . . but cannons cannot???? At least, that's according to the Civilopedia. I haven't tried upgrading a cannon yet so I was wondering if someone can confirm this.