Positive Thread....

[CrONoS]

Hi!

First: i'm french... so be patient if you dont understand something.

I try to create some new change for Civilization PTW, the scenario editor is pretty good, with a good help file, i recommend anyone to try the editor.

So, i'm about to create some new things for Civ3, and i want sugestions.¸

I already create a Fasism mod, based on Italian Fascism,
here what say encyclopedia about fascism, nazism in Germany was not the same than Fascism in spain and ital, but was close.
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Fascism , totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain. The term is derived from the Latin fasces.
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So with this and other ready from other books see mod is:
Fascism:
Rate Science Cap:10 + Worker Rate:2 + Assimilation Chance:6% + Draft Limit:2 + Military Police: 4
Hurrying Production: Forced Labor
War Weariness: None
Corruption: Rampant
--------Why? Assimilation so high, fascism is like a fantastic machine. In italy at the age of 4 years you are a member of the Youth Fascism Organnization until 18. After that, for student, fascism association, for worker: fascist syndicate. Propaghanda is really high. Fascism is highly nationalism, our state have to be the mpost powerfull one, we had to be strong, cause life is struggle between Weak And Strong( fascism are based on social darwinism).
Corruption: Is just perfect with Rampant: Less than Despotism cause population are Morally good with is state. But the lack of freedom, just make the corruption high. Lesser than Despotism, higher than Monarchy.
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Unit Support Costs:
Cost/Unit :1
Free Units per : Town: 2 City: 4 Metropolis :8
Same of Communism and Monarchy... Fascism it's a war machine.
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The big advantage of Fascism is Propaghanda resistance and Spy, spy and diplomat are Veteran. When we see that democratic society welcome Hitler, when we see how Hitler made and broke Alliance with USSR. Fascism are diplomatic calculator.
And he have advantage on propaghanda with Democratif and Republican society:Look:
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Propaghanda Modifier vs:
Anarchy: 25
Despotism: 5
Monarchy: 5
Communism: 10
Republic: 15
Democracy: 20
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I will explain why this: Fascism have been inthe past, really good to take a democratic society and infiltrate this society, even, take the lead of the governement of this country. In despotism, monarchy and communism, the dictator/monarch/party have control on the tought of this people, he can kill if someone doesn't think like him,so a spy/diplomat who want to initiate Propaghanda gonna get kill if he made public speech againt the leader.But in republic and democratic, free speach made Fascism propaghanda easier. Do not forge, Fascism it's a modern form of governement, in reaction of Communism and Capitalism, Fascism was adopted by Poor-Worker Class afraid of Capitalism, the Middle-Class was afraid of Communism and the Capitalism, and the upper-class was afraid of Communism....so that's why Hitler/Mussolini was bring to power, and the the fascism ideal grow over Europe.
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Fascism is a governement discovered when Nationalism,Communism and Corporatism are found.
It can be good for a modern Warfare, with good propaghanda vs modern type of governement...
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Now my other idea:

A new type of governement, after Democracy, in the future,something new, totally different of what we have now....i've thinking about a peaceful governement, but with Diplomatic/Spy property really high.(cause of psychic developement).... Give me some idea people...

So, have a nice day everyone!

CRONOS_QC

[vmxa1]

How about Big Brother.

[zorbop]

look at a list of ctp govts. they have dozens....

when i tried a fascism mod i figured it wouldn't cover enough civs so i called it "Imperialism". kind of an alternate government to communism, after monarchy grows old.
imperialism, yes i know, not a real govt, yadayadayada... buy it works with lots of civs.

i also added "mythocrocy", as a very early game alternative to despotism (although similar)


you could even add a govt after genetics is discovered
maby, "putcomputerchipsineveryonesbrainocrocy"

[vmxa1]

I bought CP and CTP2 and I do not own either of them any more. That is because they were not that good. I would much rather play civ2 than either of them. I would much rather play civ3 than civ2. Not because they are new as I still play Moo and other older games.

[Kingof the Apes]

Wasn't there originally going to be a feature in Civ 3 that had three different governments you could choose to be in the start?
I believe they were despotism, Tribalism(or something like that) and one I can't remember. If my imagination ia not playing tricks on me, I don't understand why this was cut. It could have been interesting.

[CrONoS]

"Utopia is the truth of tomorrow".

King Of Apes:
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Wow, 3 governement to choose when you start...
More option = more immersive play and more Fun

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I think i have to play CTP2... what do you think about CTP2, want to know technical data about CTP2, it is like Civilization, if this is even more complex than Civilization?More complete? Want to know, maybe I will buy this game, and I gonna check on the internet for info.
And Alpha Centauri, look nice to, i've never played?
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I had some other idea for a new government.

A government based on Synarchy:
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In 'Synarchy' a social entity is lead by an Authority.
As a philosopher and mystic Saint-Yves drew upon many esoteric systems, from both East and West, in developing his ideas. Developed in the early 1870's, Synarchy proposed "government by an elite of enlightened initiates". This was to be a world government forming one institute which would govern humanity based on the highest spiritual and social fundamentals. Synarchy was to be more than a purely political movement, it was to be sensitive to the history and evolution of the human race, changing and developing a "social law" that would evolve with humanity.
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So this Government can be discover after discover:
==Social Engineering (a technology who can give a +5% d'happyness cause now the society know how to manage a population.)
==Democracy
==And you have to had +80%(or more,90-100%) of people who know how to read and write.
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After this condition you can have a Synarchic governement. This can even bea victory condition!!

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I have some other idea for a new civ:

--Why do nothave a tax system like in SimCity, where you can put higher tax.... and get people angry
--Why not a more complete control over the budget?
--Why you cannot hurry a Wonder by slaving people, capture another city, and the city captured can be transform to worker or slave to help building wonder(like Egypt with the pyramid)
-- Even force your people by slaving an entire city, to build a wonder... ( you had to be in a Dictatorship governement)
-- Population have a memory about bad things and good things.
-- Population can stop a revolution. And change your governement....

Just idea
So have a nice evening everyone!!!

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Some Government Ideas

Hi Guys,

Sought of going along with the idea of this thread. My computer is currently out of action, plus Australia won't be recieving PtW for a while either .

First up, some extra Governments to consider:

-Tribal-available with warrior code
-Hagiocracy (rule by priests!)-available with Mysticism
-Ancient Kingdom (think Babylon, Persia etc)-available with Code of Laws? Otherwise with Ceremonial Burial.
-Empire (like aforementioned Imperialism), available with Imperialism (new tech)
-Classical Democracy (Available with Classical Democracy) and Classical Republic (Available with Republic) (not quite as effective as their modern counterparts)
-Aristocracy (Available with Aristocracy) The "government" which preceded Athenian Democracy
-Tyranny?? I think this was another governmental experiment by Ancient Athens
-Theocracy (Rule by priests, but monothestic, not polytheistic like Hagiocracy)
-Feudal Monarchy (better worker rate to simulate serfdom, but increased unhappiness and corruption)-Feudalism, obviously .
-Constitutional Monarchy-available with Education.
-Modern Democracy (Democracy), Modern Republic (Printing Press)
-Plutocracy (Government by the Rich-Think Corprorate Republic or the good ol' US of A )
-Technocracy (Government by the scientific Elite)-Scientific Method
-Democratic Socialism.
-Eco-Republic??-Ecology.

Anyway, that certainly fills out the ages a bit better than the standard game. Anyone game to give try and create governments based on these models, which are different enough to make them worthwhile? If not, I'll certainly give it a shot when my computer is fixed .
Whilst on the subject of governments, I've thought of a way to make your capital truly important!! (Given that there is no CW)
Basically, unless the new editor (from PtW) allows you to have buildings which increase optimal city size, this is what you do:

Create a number of new improvements-Ampitheater (1 happ, -corruption, -WW);
Garrison (-culture, -corruption, -WW); Curfew (-culture, -corruption); Member of Parliament (1 happ, +1 production, -corruption, -WW); Senator (1 happ, +1 production, -corruption) etc.
Once you've done that, you then create a series of Small wonders that require the Palace and a minimum city size-these small wonders count as an automatic "improvement X" in every city. So parliament, for instance, would have minimum city size of 12 (std Map) and require the Palace, and would count as a Member of Parliament in every city (with all the benefits it conveys), Parliament would also produce continental Happiness effects and culture. If you have enough of these Small wonders, you reduce corruption Civ wide, increase happiness Civ wide but, if you lose your capital, you'll find yourself in a VERY BAD state!!! Of course, all of these Capital Buildings should also convey a defensive bonus, to reflect how tenaciously the people will fight to protect their capital.
So what do you guys think, is it doable? Look forward to your feedback .

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

[vmxa1]

Call to Power was in fact Civ. Micropose settlement allowed them to make a civ like game and Activison had the rights (I think it was them). So one made test of time and the other make CTP. CTP2 was of course the sequel. When it came out it was a much improved product over CTP with had many problems. The reaction to CTP2 was not particularly great, but it has a following.