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Originally posted by SirOsis
Ah but what if you bought a huge package labeled "Danish bleu cheese" thinking you're getting a lot of a quality cheese but when you open the package all you see is a shriveled crumb of cheese the size of your fingernail with a bit of mold growing on the side.
In the case of PTW, you expected good, got bad, and you are unhappy.
In the case of PTW, they expected good, got good, and they're as happy as can be.
PTW isn't moldy cheese; they like it and you don't. Your opinion is just that: an opinion. Don't try to make it fact. The money people payed for PTW may have been well spent if they liked it.Lime roots and treachery!
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I like PTW. I buy a new computer or video game every week or so (sometimes more, sometimes less, depends if there's anything out). Most don't get played more than a few days. I've been playing PTW for months. Why? Because I like it. I'd even go so far as to say it is my favorite game right now. Am I deluding myself over $30? Not bloody likely. I play enough games to know what I like and I like PTW.Seemingly Benign
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I like PTW too. I just feel that the product was lacking on release. MP is getting better with the patches. When I bought it the MP was worthless. The fact that it was worthless pissed me off since it was supposed to be a MP game.
I don't think anyone in this forum can state that the MP portion of the game at release was worth much of anything. If you do, well then I've got some moldy cheese to sell ya.
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I will agree that MP before 1.14f didn't work well. You should have seen it in the bad days, though. 1.01 was actually possible to play as an MP game (although quite laggy).Seemingly Benign
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Originally posted by cyclotron7
PTW isn't moldy cheese; they like it and you don't. Your opinion is just that: an opinion. Don't try to make it fact. The money people payed for PTW may have been well spent if they liked it.
Just because there are some people foolish enough to delude themselves into believing their $30 was money well spent, doesn't make it so. "A fool and his money are soon parted." There are always people willing to overpay for things; the fact remains they overpaid.
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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
What is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good.. do we need anyone to tell us these things?
Unfortunately, you do. The fact you like broken things indicates you're not thinking clearly on your own.
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Originally posted by woody
No, they like Civ3. PtW is broken. It's a multiplayer add-on.
It's wasted because they're not getting what was advertized. A way to "Play the World" (as in multiplayer).
If I barfed in a bag, and you paid me $30 for it but still liked it, is it still money well spent?
I have spent a few hundred hours playing MP online and having fun. What does that do for your rantings re cognitive dislocation, which you so obviously suffer from.
And btw, your arguments are getting worse the longer you go. Barf in a bag? Seriously, have you off some medication recently?(\__/)
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Originally posted by woody
As patronizing as this may sound...
Unfortunately, you do. The fact you like broken things indicates you're not thinking clearly on your own.
How was it you put it? Its a fact that your opinion is not everyone elses. I'm quite enjoying Play the World, already put several times as many hours as it took for me to make that 30$, so for me its well worth it. I also really didn't get it for MP, I mean I didn't play Civ3 all this last year in preparation for MP, Civilization has always been a primarily SP game. With the improvements/AI tweaks/added civs/etc... its not a patch, its an expansion.
I don't see how some of you still think it is just a glorified patch. Lets look at this. 8 new civilizations, 8 new UUs, 2 new units, two new worker jobs, 2 or is it 3? improvements, advanced interface, tweaked AI, better scenario handling, numerous enhances(though still lacking diplomacy) to the editor, and others i'm forgetting i'm sure. If that doesn't fit your guidelines for an expansion, then just WHAT does?
Since people seem to like to mention Blizzard, lets look at Starcrafts expansion Brood Wars. It added what, 3 new units per race? Added some new tech for the units, and included a new campaign for each race. Gee, that isn't much. Hell, it isn't even on level with PtW if you count the scenarios included on the cd for PtW. I'll give you that BroodWars multiplayer worked fine, though multiplayer was in the original and had been planned from the start.
Multiplayer in Civ3 was planned, but not included in the original. You also didn't see BroodWars using third-party software to run their multiplayer. So they could have much more freedom setting it up. Multiplayer I hear now is at least working, the game killing lag is gone for the most part and I haven't heard of a whole lot of crashes. Seems like even if you're a multiplayer fan PtW is now worth it. And besides, to even play PtW you need Civ3 which is SP only, so the people buying it will benefit from the SP enhancements."Every good communist should know political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao tse-Tung
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually, oh clueless one who has no basis for his opinion...
I have spent a few hundred hours playing MP online and having fun. What does that do for your rantings re cognitive dislocation, which you so obviously suffer from.
And btw, your arguments are getting worse the longer you go. Barf in a bag? Seriously, have you off some medication recently?playing a slow MP in the brief period since PTW came out you are hardly one to cast criticisms on other people's alleged eccentriciities.
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It worked and works quite well if you know what to do. It works better now. That doesn't mean it did not work before.
But then again, when have you ever known wth you were talking about?(\__/)
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Originally posted by ChaotikVisions . . . Its a fact that your opinion is not everyone elses. I'm quite enjoying Play the World, already put several times as many hours as it took for me to make that 30$, so for me its well worth it. . . With the improvements/AI tweaks/added civs/etc... its not a patch, its an expansion. . .
I could care less about the superficial graphics or new lame civs. I hated the AI since I first started playing it. They "tweaked" it? How?
For example, the Diplomatic/Trade AI has always been stupid. The human would get blamed fior things he never did, or a very minor rep hit would last for millennia and civs he wouldn't meet for a thousand years would hate him. Absurd and unrealistic.
Another example. The human has a trade deal set with a civ. he offers - as a free bonus - several additional resources. The braindead AI insults the human and cancels the entire deal - a deal that would have been great for the AI. Stupid.
Did PTW "tweak" REX/settler diarrhea?? AI settlers march right into my territory; I tell them to leave; they ignore me and keep coming; I attack - and I am regarded as a warmonger hated forever by everyone.
If I don;t do that the AI settlers will soon teleport themselves to the other side of my civ and built towns on open tiles they should not even know exist.
Does the AI still invade in the same banal uninspired way? I got real tired easily channeling his forces into "kill zones" on grassland where I attacked him. Anyone who played the game knows what I mean.
So, just itemize exactly how the AI has been "tweaked" and improved; I'm really curious.
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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Ah, but I was paying the 30 for YOUR vomit. Which is different.
woody,
On the contrary. If I paid any money for anything I didn't like, I'd take it back. Regardless of what people think, you can take just about anything you don't like back for a return or an exchange, provided it's within a reasonable timeframe.
When I bought my car two years ago, I deliberately asked the salesman if I could exchange it for something else if I didn't like it. Not only did he tell me I could return it within two days of playing with it, he even let me borrow it for a day before I actually bought it. Granted, the paperwork would have been interesting if I returned it. But if you can return a freaking car, you can return just about anything.
So people complaining about a product they don't like and then not returning it basically means nothing to me. It falls on deaf ears. The same goes for people who complain about products they don't even own.
And attempting to reach the conclusion that people are foolish for buying PTW and are in denial about its "crappiness" is also inane. Not everyone is so lazy that they won't return it.
But congrats to those that don't want to buy it for fear of being irreparably damaged. I'll take the chance.So far it's paid off.
Last edited by Traelin; December 4, 2002, 01:07.
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