Reasons to buy Play the World

[Bad F-Line]

Well here's an interesting fact - the boxcover of PTW's release here in the States says " Multiplayer Expansion Pack ". I saw this statement when I bought the XP, and at that time I had no intention of going online and playing it against other people (still haven't); so why did I go ahead and buy PTW anyhow after seeing this glaring MP statement? Because I knew that PTW contains plenty of additions to the SP game which are accessible WITHOUT going online at all.
I've had a blast with all the new stuff, the editor, the new civs and all the additions, all without going online a single time. Not once. Can't say that I have noticed the AI being too much smarter, but I haven't had ANY issues with PTW of the proportions that I have seen spoken of - If you were to believe some of them PTW is the glitchiest, lamest most unplayable bag o' **** ever. I don't think so.
As for MP? Couldn't care less. I have fun playing other games on the Internet, I don't need that from CIV3, and I don't need to go online to enjoy playing the Ottomans or building the Internet. I can do that in SP.
For the naysayers - step back and look at the entire product. Sorry you're disappointed about the MP ... I have no interest in MP whatsoever but I hope they fix it for you, and if they don't, hey - you have the ability to not buy it or return it if you already did. Stop telling us ' fanboiz ' that we wasted 30 bucks.

[player1]

I just don't understand one thing.

Why "PtW sucks" crowd still says that MP is unplaybele, while newest patch fixed most MP problems.

Lack of any other arguments or what?

[SirOsis]

All I've said is that the MP on release was inexcusable. It was touted for its MP not the SP aspect. It did not live up to even the most basic standards of decent internet play.

They could have released it later patched to 1.14 and had a much better response from me. Instead they released it too early and disgusted me with their crappy product.

As I've said I hope it gets much better. I applaud Firaxis for releasing patches. I don't applaud their releasing of a buggy product.

I'll sum it up in one sentence for those that have difficulty understanding my point.

The game as released is completely worthless as a MP game which is what it was sold as.

As the patches come out and the game improves I'm sure I will like it. It's the disappointment upon realising the cash in my wallet was more important than releasing a quality game that really hurts.

[Coracle]

MP is awful. PTW is a failure.

Originally posted by SirOsis
All I've said is that the MP on release was inexcusable. It was touted for its MP not the SP aspect. It did not live up to even the most basic standards of decent internet play.

They could have released it later patched to 1.14 and had a much better response from me. Instead they released it too early and disgusted me with their crappy product.

As I've said I hope it gets much better. I applaud Firaxis for releasing patches. I don't applaud their releasing of a buggy product.

I'll sum it up in one sentence for those that have difficulty understanding my point.

The game as released is completely worthless as a MP game which is what it was sold as.

As the patches come out and the game improves I'm sure I will like it. It's the disappointment upon realising the cash in my wallet was more important than releasing a quality game that really hurts.

So true.

Jeez. Looks like a whole bunch of people have finally gotten smart regarding Firaxis and its beta products, which I've been talking about for many months.

PTW was primarily touted for MP - which should have been in Civ 3 in the first place a year ago. But MP stinks even after yet another Firaxis patch.

So people are supposed to pay $30, more with tax, for several very minor Single Player improvements that also should have been patched in long ago?? I don't think so.

BUT. . . you can tell Firaxis is running scared. I just saw on Amazon.com PTW has ALREADY been slashed by five dollars. Hey Firaxis, slash off another twenty and maybe I'd be interested. Maybe.

Oh yes, when a company releases crap, such as PTW or the original Civ 3, they are OBLIGED to patch it. I give them no credit for that. It is also good business as the whole Civ franchise would have been killed if the original Civ 3 was left patchless.

Finally, MP or not, Civ 3 itself remains a deeply flawed game.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by SirOsis
The game as released is completely worthless as a MP game which is what it was sold as.

Well, there are testimonials from people here that it worked just fine. The beta testers told us that the MP worked fine for them.

Granted, Firaxis let some big bugs slide, but all evidence points to them not knowing about the MP bugs. Clearly, PTW is not useless to all people as an MP game... and frankly, that's irrelevant anyway because Firaxis recognized the problem and fixed it.

I see nothing to complain about. But, knowing Coracle here, he'll find something to complain about anyway.

Suit yourself.

[notyoueither]

1.04 and 1.01 worked OK with people you knew and who knew how to get going.

1.14 improves on that. It expands the pool, so to speak. And it reduces lag, which the testers were most likely more tolerant of (but not blind to). We did not waste much time in figuring out who to match with for good games.

Is it done yet? I hope not, and I have not been told to pack up and stop testing.

[SirOsis]

So the pool has expanded from 0 to maybe 10. Kudos Firaxis.

[notyoueither]

Try tens of thousands (undoubtedly by now). They would be:

The SP players. btw, these are the vast majority of civ'ers.

The people playing PBEM such as, AHEM, yourself.

People playing on LANs or hot seat in their homes.

And lastly, INet MP'ers, most of whom who are bright enough to solve a problem when they encounter one. Granted, some people need a bit of help. Some get help, if they're not too stupid to accept it. And granted, there are some people who are unable to play because of being on the network of large institutions with nasty firewalls, or other network specific problems (I've seen one like that).

Now, I will leave you alone to wallow in your self pity, and to ***** about how bad things are. I'd rather discuss things with people who are bright enough to take advantage of the solutions available to them.

[woody]

I've found this thread a remarkable example of human psychology at work.

There are many "fan boys" here who steadfastly assert that the $30 they spent on a broken game is well worth it. This is a classic example of how humans will support something, rather than admit they made a mistake and got ripped off. Cognitive dissonance at work!

I might be interested in the SP additions if the patch cost $5. But $30??? That's almost as much as a brand new game!

Oh well, I guess Firaxis will always have some suckers to sell too. Look forward to another expansion pack: Civ3:AR. (Another rip-off.)

P.S. Before the fan-boys label me as a Civ3 hater; I really like the game. Civ3, after all the patches, is a great game. It sucked when it was first released, and I won't be fooled into ever buying another Firaxis product on release, but I'm glad it was patched. However, I don't believe Firaxis patched this out of their own good heart. They had to continue to support it so there would be people left to be sucked into buying PtW.

[ACooper]

As a "fan boy" let me say it is the most enjoyable game I've ever played. A good percentage of the complaints are minor or personal taste problems.

This thread is a good example of human psychology in that it shows that the "whiners" always talk the loudest and rest of us are too busy enjoying what we got.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by woody
There are many "fan boys" here who steadfastly assert that the $30 they spent on a broken game is well worth it. This is a classic example of how humans will support something, rather than admit they made a mistake and got ripped off. Cognitive dissonance at work!

This is a classic example of a delusion of grandeur. Thank you for telling me exactly how I should feel about a game. I will check with you next time I am purchasing a game or a car or a new pair of shoes, so that I won't be ripped off.

[Traelin]

DP

[Traelin]

God the word fanboy just irks me. Since when has someone become a fanboy who defends something they like? Am I a fanboy of the Oakland A's? Of Civ 3? I enjoy both very much, so why can't you just call me a fan?

Yes, both have their faults. I still maintain that the A's will never win the Series again until the year after I die. And Civ 3 sometimes annoys me with its quirks. But I enjoy both very much.

If you all don't like the game, don't buy it, and don't rain on everyone else's parade. It's one thing to complain in a rational tone, and it's another thing to harp, b****, and moan like an annoying girlfriend.

[woody]

Who's whining? It's not whining to state that PtW doesn't work. It doesn't! It was advertized as an XP for multiplayer. Firaxis delivered it completely broken for MP!

The only thing left is a minor patch, much of which you can download as add-ons (or create your own). We had more significant patches for free in the past.

Sorry, but Firaxis has gone from bad first-releases to utterly horrible first-releases. They deserve whatever criticism they get.

The fan-boys will continue to post how great the game is. Thank God there are "whiners" here to tell the truth.

BTW, I have yet to read any positive review from someone who didn't actually buy the game. That includes people who got a free game, or those that pirated it. The only people praising the game are those that got ripped-off $30, and too ashamed to admit it.

But please! Post a unbaised review, and prove me wrong!

[Traelin]

Originally posted by woody
BTW, I have yet to read any positive review from someone who didn't actually buy the game. That includes people who got a free game, or those that pirated it. The only people praising the game are those that got ripped-off $30, and too ashamed to admit it.

Well aren't those the only people that should be commenting on it in the first place? I mean it's like someone who's never played baseball say something like, "Man, it's really easy to hit a 90-mph curve." The people who have the most insight are those people that own the game, not the bystanders.

Reviews are nothing more than unfounded or minimally founded opinions. So if opinions are like a**holes, what does that make unfounded or minimally founded opinions?

There's a difference between saying "PTW has MP issues and had serious problems at release time", and saying "PTW sux, to heck with all the 'fanboys'!"

BTW, fanboy isn't even a word. It's not even a colloquialism.