Reasons to buy Play the World

[Tiberius]

Since when do you know what should be free? Medicine for old men should be free, not whatever you're fantasizing about.

As for "PtW: the Patch": what would you prefer: a good game out of the box, or an outstanding-after-being-patched game?
What botheres you, anyway? Civ3 PtW? Don't buy it. The bugs? Wait for the patches. Something else? I'm not interested.

[WarpStorm]

Suit yourself, woody, your credibility decreases by the moment.

MP works well for me and the SP features alone are well worth $30. There's a lot more here than a simple patch. If you want to keep believing that that is all it is, I can't change your mind, but I can add you to my ignore list. Bye.

[Cyclotron]

PTW is certainly worth far more than the first Civ2 XP, which only had 20 scenarios (some of which had already been released for free earlier).

I fail to see in what way PTW is a patch... it has all the things I would expect out of an XP in a Civ style game.

It would be a real XP even with only the SP features, but the corrected MP support makes it even more worthy as a standalone XP. Why a product like this, so far superior in additions to the two XPs for Civ2, should be considered a patch escapes me.

[statusperfect]

@ Tiberius, Warpstom & Cyclotron

Couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that you still are active anti-whiners is beyond me. I would have given up a long long time ago.

[thinkingamer]

Well I played Civ2, Smac so much it was sick. I played AOK some, but got bored. It was a great looking game, but after all of the AOE, I just did not want any more.

What u r saying here is like: "because i had too much civ2 that i could not handle (or bother to learn to) SMAC" and that statement does not make AoK any worse game. Anyone (either TBS or RTS fan) can see that Aok is an better improvement over AoE than Civ3 is over civ2.

Each civ3s Civ specific unit had a different primary stats (such as plus 1 attack, defence or movement) which is cheap, but each Aoks unique units were VERY different, from an average unit. Also, Civ3's civ traits is restricted with "commercial, religious, etc." Which is a cheap way to get different #s of civs.

While PtW gave us few other different Civs with the same old "expansionist, industrious" trait with new units with almost the same identical stats in year 2002, but AoK: the Conquerors, gave Aok players a number of totally different unique units, with a unique civ tech for each Civ (18 in all) and other common techs and units in year 2000. Oh, they also had a Great campaign too (personally didn't like RTS campaigns, but for those who does, its pretty cool plus)
Overall, to me Ptw doesn't accomplish much as a expansion game.

As was mentioned, the MP was not in the final game and was no longer promised to be part of it.

Well, normally when a game company says that "MP will not be the final game" (specially after telling to customers that they will offer MP) people will think that there will be a MP, but with bugs that will be fixed with time like Starcraft. But the case w/ Firaxis is after more than a year, MP is still not enjoyable for more than 50% of expansion owners. Very disappointing.

I would think that exchanging tech for tech in Civ2 by giving to AI poor tech for his good tech is irational AI behavior too.

All right, i agree with u with this one, but i was more specifically thinking of SMAC....a 1999 game with an AI that didn't do any of the mistakes that u mentioned. I mean, is it fair to compare a 2001 game with a 1996 game?

This is true for ALL civ type games, anything above middle diffculty gives cheats for AI, while lower levels gives the opposite. (and cheating starts from Monarch, Regent is pure EVEN level)

Yes, im wrong in this one too, but only by 10%. Also the Civ3's AI has a starting bonus (BIG advantage), more unit support, etc. Overall, anyone can see that Civ3 cheat more than any previous Civ games.

This is supposed to be a good thing

Well, i never said that it was not a good thing, but it is nothing that revolutionaze over preview civ AIs.

[ducki]

Well, normally when a game company says that "MP will not be the final game" (specially after telling to customers that they will offer MP) people will think that there will be a MP, but with bugs that will be fixed with time like Starcraft.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Basically, you're saying that because Firaxis said there would not be MP support, people assume there will be MP support.

Huh?

But the case w/ Firaxis is after more than a year, MP is still not enjoyable for more than 50% of expansion owners. Very disappointing.

And this makes no sense either.
It's been about a month since MP came out, not a year.

You've obviously taken leave of your logic, so I'm done trying to reason with you.

Actually, nearly all of the whines here are quite weak on logic while being very heavy on emotion and perceived "wrongdoing" by Firaxis.

Whatever.
Whine away, I'm going to go enjoy my game.

[Coracle]

No MP support?? Are you kidding?

Originally posted by ducki

This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Basically, you're saying that because Firaxis said there would not be MP support, people assume there will be MP support.

Huh?

Whatever.
Whine away, I'm going to go enjoy my game.

I'm glad the True Believers, that shrinking minority of gamers, can still "enjoy" the buggy disappointment that is PTW and Civ 3. Some of us are far more discriminating and demand quality for our money. But Firaxis is glad you're there for their beta products; Infogrames needs the cash.

As for "MP support". Are you actually saying Firaxis is NOT supplying those still interested in PTW with MP support??? Did I read that correctly? If that is true, it is outrageous, even for Firaxis.

Well, it hardly matters. From the reviews I've seen nobody would ever want to even try MP owing to slowness, crashing, restarts, lag times, etc.

[thinkingamer]

Originally posted by ducki

This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Basically, you're saying that because Firaxis said there would not be MP support, people assume there will be MP support.

And this makes no sense either.

Firaxis said "MP will not be the final game" before the release of the original civ3 AFTER saying "there will be MP in Civ3".......

Afterwards, they give us, a Super buggy MP For a price........ give me a break!!!!

[SirOsis]

This thread is about as pointless as Civ3:PTW. You won't be able to change the fanboys minds. They have already convinced themselves that the $30 they wasted was well spent.

They can tell themselves they got it for SP, for the extra civs etc. Whereas the real reason to get the game was for the multiplayer, which is completely worthless.

You can't tell me Firaxis didn't know this when they released this piece of trash? It's all about the money anyway.

If you want to get it for someone for Christmas go ahead. After they try to play it they will wonder why they didn't get a piece of coal because they must have been really bad to get something this crappy.

[Catt]

Originally posted by SirOsis
They can tell themselves they got it for SP, for the extra civs etc. Whereas the real reason to get the game was for the multiplayer, which is completely worthless.

You are extraordinarily talented to be able to understand, conclusively, why someone might make a purchase.

[notyoueither]

Hmmm. I'm having a lot of fun playing MP.

Why do you feel a need for everyone to be as insipid as yourself? You don't like it, therefore noone should. Sounds like something from a school yard. Did you lie when Poly asked if you were 13 years old?

[SirOsis]

Actually I'm quite older. Which is why I recognize crap when I see it.

I'm glad someone can enjoy a buggy, laggy, tiresome and falsely advertised game. Congratulations.

In the current state of this game I can't. I hope they patch it up to a playable state so I can feel that the game is worthwhile.

My opinion is that this game is not deserving of Sid Meier's name. Maybe in the future it will be. It was released too soon.

I haven't given up on it yet since I do enjoy Civ3. I am just very disappointed. Perhaps it was foolish of me to expect quality. I should have realized that the quality of the game isn't important anymore. It is more important to milk a few extra bucks out of a franchise.

Sid, you made a cynic out of me. Congratulations.

[Zero-Tau]

Originally posted by SirOsis
This thread is about as pointless as Civ3:PTW. You won't be able to change the fanboys minds. They have already convinced themselves that the $30 they wasted was well spent.

If they enjoy the game, how can their $30 be wasted?

[Cyclotron]

I haven't bought PTW, and from what I hear I may be waiting a while to buy it... but there is a distinct difference between people who are concerned with quality and people who cry a river about things they were "supposed to" get, or things they were "promised."

On a fairly objective basis alone, I can assure you of these things:
1) Civ3:PTW is not a patch, it is an XP, and it has features becoming of a respectable XP.
2) PTW is a better XP in terms of more things added than either of the Civ2 XPs.
3) Firaxis promised nothing to any of you, an even if they did it serves you right for buying a game on promises.

Oh, and SirOsis: If Firaxis doesn't care, why did they release so many patches? Certainly there is nothing in it for them...

Sheesh, if we are going to knock PTW, let's at least have some good reasons for it...

[notyoueither]

Well, I enjoy SP immensely, although I don't have much time for it now... Because I am kept bust playing PBEM (workin' fine) and INet MP (tricky, but works very well with people you know and is better with 1.14).

So, if you wanna run around screaming crap, feel free. However, you are wasting your time doing that. You would be rewarded more by finding reliable people who are not using alpha cracks. You might then proceed to having fun.

There is a PTW MP forum, you know. People are using it to meet people who can be counted on. Just met another good player there. My list grows...