Reasons to buy Play the World

[Coracle]

The ONLY reason I would have considered getting the game (from a friend for free) would be to be able to turn off that Culture Flipping idiocy.

I don't even know if that can be done. And the only reason Civ 3 is still on my PC is I want to see what people have done with scenarios, but I won't play it if I can't turn off Culture Flipping - the single stupidest and most non-realistic aspect among many flaws in Civ 3.

Maybe when I see PTW in the Five Dollar Discount Bin I will buy it. Maybe by then Firaxis will be on its fourth or fifth patch for PTW. Oh those bugs.

[bigfree1]

When it becomes available for under 10 dollars, will be a good enough reason to get it.

[player1]

Knock, knock!

Patch is there!
MP is fixed!

If you still complain, or want to wait 2-3 year to get game for 5-10$ it's yours choiuce, but that just bad resoning.

Because if you realy think like that, then there is really no point of buying the game at all.

[thinkingamer]

Anyone who played Civ2 or SMAC and AOK can tell that Civ3 is a cheap combination of those games.

2 good things about Civ3: Culture and AI, BUT!!!
While I like the idea of Culture, its not executed right (playing peacefully culture makes the game more fun, but playing the conqueror culture makes the game less fun)
And while the AI is the Best of any Civ games so far, they're: 1. irrational...they make the dummest deals that makes whole idea of diplomacy stupid. 2. They cheat (builds things faster starting on regent level! and they like to trade techs to each other) 3. Basicly the AI expands better and attacks you with more units which is not a big deal.

Finally, is PtW worth the price as an ex?
IMHO even with its sigle player additions, PtW is not worth $30. I mean, Firaxis promised MP for the original Civ3 before its release!!! And compared with Aok: the Conquerors, PtW is........not so good.

[notyoueither]

They withdrew the MP 'promise' prior to release and stated it would not have MP. When you bought it, you bought an SP game.

[vmxa1]

Well I played Civ2, Smac so much it was sick. I played AOK some, but got bored. It was a great looking game, but after all of the AOE, I just did not want any more. Anyway at this point I do not play any of those games as Civ3 fills the bill for that type of game. As was mentioned, the MP was not in the final game and was no longer promised to be part of it. Sound familar to you civ2 people? Gold ring a bell? Civ2 and Smac were exteremely enjoyable games, but not challenging at all, but you already conceded the AI is better.

[player1]

Originally posted by thinkingamer
1. irrational...they make the dummest deals that makes whole idea of diplomacy stupid.

I would think that exchanging tech for tech in Civ2 by giving to AI poor tech for his good tech is irational AI behavior too.

AI, AI, wanna Medicine, just give me Tactics.
I am you ally, just give me a tech every turn.

Pretty irational.

Originally posted by thinkingamer
2. They cheat (builds things faster starting on regent level! and they like to trade techs to each other)

This is true for ALL civ type games, anything above middle diffculty gives cheats for AI, while lower levels gives the opposite. (and cheating starts from Monarch, Regent is pure EVEN level)

Originally posted by thinkingamer
3. Basicly the AI expands better and attacks you with more units which is not a big deal.

This is supposed to be a good thing

[woody]

Originally posted by ducki
Which was my precise point.
It's not the XP that sucks, it's the network code.

Here's a clue: The network code is part of the game. Take off your fanboy glasses for a single minute!

It's like buying a car that doesn't work, and the sales-droid telling you, "The car isn't broken. It's the engine that sucks."

[Gangerolf]

cocoa

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Coracle
The ONLY reason I would have considered getting the game (from a friend for free) would be to be able to turn off that Culture Flipping idiocy.

I don't even know if that can be done. And the only reason Civ 3 is still on my PC is I want to see what people have done with scenarios, but I won't play it if I can't turn off Culture Flipping - the single stupidest and most non-realistic aspect among many flaws in Civ 3.

Maybe when I see PTW in the Five Dollar Discount Bin I will buy it. Maybe by then Firaxis will be on its fourth or fifth patch for PTW. Oh those bugs.

there is an option to turn off culture flipping, and it works.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by woody

I'll never buy another Firaxis game until it's been out a few months, anyway.

I recommend you wait SEVERAL months at least; it may take that long to get all the new patches out if Firaxis' next game is as buggy as these were.

You should also read the online forums for accurate reviews. Plenty of people hated Civ 3 and were so posting earlier this year; they are of course long gone from the forum now. Industry reviews are useless as they functioned as Firaxis flacks.

I for one found the CONCEPTS in Civ 3 fatally flawed even if there were no bugs at all. So I'm done with Firaxis for good.

[ducki]

Originally posted by woody


Here's a clue: The network code is part of the game. Take off your fanboy glasses for a single minute!

It's like buying a car that doesn't work, and the sales-droid telling you, "The car isn't broken. It's the engine that sucks."

No, it's not like that at all.

A car doesn't run without an engine.
My copy of PtW works just great without good network code because, and I'll repeat myself again, not everyone cares about MP.

In a game like this, MP is separate from SP.
Once again, if you bought solely for MP, yeah, it's gonna suck.
If, like me and many others, you bought for the improvements to the game itself, it's great.

How about you take off your whiner glasses for a single minute and learn to make a simile that actually adds up.

I'll use the car you spoke of.
Having bad Network Code in an Exp.Pack like this is like having a car where the electrical system is flaky and you can't have the AC/Heater on if you want to listen to the radio, or the radio flat out doesn't work.

It's a - and here's the important bit - distinct part of the whole system that does not prevent the system from functioning under certain conditions.

The game runs great.
Multiplayer games - prepatch - did not.
The engine was fine, it's the antenna that was broken.

[woody]

Originally posted by ducki
My copy of PtW works just great without good network code because, and I'll repeat myself again, not everyone cares about MP.

The game is called Civ3:Play the World, not Civ3:The Patch.

Although, I'll give you that in reality it's a lot more of the second than it is the first. Worth $30? Hardly!

[WarpStorm]

woody, how would you know what it's worth? You don't have it.

[woody]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
woody, how would you know what it's worth? You don't have it.

I don't have a pile of dog sh*t sitting in my living room either, but I still know that sh*t isn't worth $30. It's a patch, man! Without multiplayer working, it's just a simple patch... nothing more. Those should be free!

http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/december02/civ3pc/