next expansion pack - what civs do you want?

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Novaya Havoc
I see the enthusiasm for additional civs, but come on. The amazing armies of "The Grand Duchy of Poland-Lithuania CRUSHES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!"?

"The Jews" fighting Russia?

Poland tackling America?

Polynesia becoming the cultural envy of the world?

As opposed to:

The amazing armies of Babylon crush The USA!?

or Zulu tackling America?

or Mongolia becoming the cultural envy of the world?

These sound better?

What can you tell me that Poland-Lithuania has done that is not only HIGHLY influential, but also fairly common knowledge?

-One of the largest empires in Europe in the XVth - XVIth century
-The University of Cracow and Nicolaus Copernicus
-Defended Europe and Christianity against the ottomans for centuries.
-JanSobieski, who in 1683 defeated the Turks that were besieging Vienna
-Frederic Chopin
-Marie Curie
-Lech Walesa, the "Solidarity" labor union and the strikes of 1980
-Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

I'm not Polish and this is what I know.

[Zealot]

Portuguese, damn it!
We have the 7th most spoken language in the world and we're not worth being in Civ?!?

[aaglo]

Finns, damnit!

We are the most populous group in the Apolyton forums (at least according to the location survey during last spring)... And were not in Civ3 (not even as barbarians)

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by aaglo
Finns, damnit!

... And were not in Civ3 (not even as barbarians)

So we (hungarians) are more worthy than you

That's a shame! We are in and our relatives not! Please, we want finn barbarians

[aaglo]

Or how about a fenno-hungarian coalition?

The coalition would force all it's subjects to talk language that sounds very funny to all non-speakers...

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by aaglo
Or how about a fenno-hungarian coalition?

The coalition would force all it's subjects to talk language that sounds very funny to all non-speakers...

Just curious, aaglo -- how many people do you think realize that the Finno-Ugaritic (aka "Finno-Ugrian") language group is non-Indo-European and encompasses both Finnish and "Magyar" --ie, proto-Hungarian?

-Oz

[Traelin]

Originally posted by Tiberius
-One of the largest empires in Europe in the XVth - XVIth century
-The University of Cracow and Nicolaus Copernicus
-Defended Europe and Christianity against the ottomans for centuries.
-JanSobieski, who in 1683 defeated the Turks that were besieging Vienna
-Frederic Chopin
-Marie Curie
-Lech Walesa, the "Solidarity" labor union and the strikes of 1980
-Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

I'm not Polish and this is what I know.

Marie Curie was known for her work in France, at the Sorbonne and the University of Paris. Since she married a Frenchman, I assume she also became a French citizen.

We have to be careful with which countries we associate certain people. Associating Curie with Poland is kind of like associating Thomas Jefferson with Great Britain.

[Traelin]

Originally posted by nationalist
Poland should definately be included. Western Europe may be crowded, but Eastern Europe is not. I'd pick Poland over the Dutch. I'd also add the Finns.

Add the Incas and Mayans, along with two African Civs, preferably Mali and Ethiopia. (I agree with the person who said that there should be an African ethnicity. Make the Zulus African instead of Middle-Eastern.)

Add the Byzantines and possibly the Khmer or some other southeast Asian civ. Include the Hebrews, but don't add any more Mid-East civs after that. The mid-East is more saturated than Western Europe. After these civs are included, then add the Portugese and the Dutch.

Poland over the Dutch? No way, no how. I've defended the Dutch in a ton of other posts and in other threads, so I'll save the regurgitation.

I agree with the Mayans and Incans. But I would only include the Incans as a priority over the Dutch for one reason, and that's only for those people who insist on playing Earth maps 24/7.

[Randolph]

A good point, but a (very) poor example. A scientist that is born in one nation, but does most of her work in another is vastly different from a man who is a major player in a revolt against his “home” nation. I agree with your general point, but such a ridiculous example is annoying; I hardly think that Marie Curie was ready to go to war with Poland.

[-proletarian-]

Screw more civs. All the essential ones are already either in the original game, or will be once PTW comes out. The only people wanting more civs now are the jilted citizens of dinky little countries who don't merit inclusion in the first place. This game needs more military general military units that every civ can build. It would also be nice if every single civ had their own unique city graphics, instead of just belonging to one of 4 "culture groups". The Zulu were Arab? Who Knew?!



It would also be great if civs units had skin colour corresponding to their race. Why are the Zulu white-skinned, apart from the Impi? It would be great if the Indian units had brown skin, the Zulu had black, the Aztecs, Mongols were somewhere in-between.......

[KaiserIsak]

I cant understand why you said the hebrews are a "shoe-in". I can not see that they have done anything special. They would be far down my list.

[Traelin]

Originally posted by Randolph
A good point, but a (very) poor example. A scientist that is born in one nation, but does most of her work in another is vastly different from a man who is a major player in a revolt against his “home” nation. I agree with your general point, but such a ridiculous example is annoying; I hardly think that Marie Curie was ready to go to war with Poland.

My point was that Curie received her fame in France, and I'm sure became a citizen of France when she married Pierre. So it doesn't matter where you're born or with whom your allegiances once resided, because they can change pretty quickly.

EDIT: A better analogy would be Alexander Graham Bell, who was Scottish but became an American citizen and received most of his fame over here.

[monkspider]

They're a shoe-in because they are famous and most people want them in, and they're marketable. Whatever you think of their acomplishments is debatable. But there is no doubt that they are a popular civ and a civ that will move units, so to speak.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by -proletarian-
Screw more civs. All the essential ones are already either in the original game, or will be once PTW comes out. The only people wanting more civs now are the jilted citizens of dinky little countries who don't merit inclusion in the first place.

I agree with you that Canada, Brazil, and other states should be excluded, but I don't see how it could hurt by adding more legitimate civilizations, especially those who represent areas that are as of now not very represented (South America, Africa) It would add more variety to the game. I also agree that more general units should be added.

It would also be great if civs units had skin colour corresponding to their race. Why are the Zulu white-skinned, apart from the Impi? It would be great if the Indian units had brown skin, the Zulu had black, the Aztecs, Mongols were somewhere in-between.......

Good Idea!

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Havent read through this whole thread but what about the Innuit or Eskimo, their UU could be a kayak not sure what traits theyd have though?