Firaxis: Ruler of the Jews

[sprucemoose3311]

Although Firaxis would never add a new civilization in a patch, if they did add the Hebrew their king should not be Solomon.
The biggest threat to Jewish culture past and present was idolatry. King Solomon built a giant Moloch statue in Gehenna. Moloch was a bull like god who accepted burning babies as sacrifices. Solomon may have built great structures but he helped usher in paganism and idolatry into Judaism. Thus he was helping to destroy what he protected.

A more suitable leader would be:
David, one of the Judges, or one of the Maccabee rulers who restored Jewish political and religious order.

If they had the govt choice theocrarcy than Ysreal (or Isreal (known as Jacob before his covanant with god) depend on what translation you take, either Palestinian, Greek,Latin, Aramaic, Babylonian, Egyptian, etc.) would be the best choice.

I would give them a Commercial (remember where taxes most likely come from?) and religious.

Reason: isreal is deffinatly not expansionist, im pretty sure they aren't scientific.
They would be industrious if not religious (the only reason they would be religious is if there is a theocracy option for government- remember how many times they were destroyed by go for their deviance from his laws)

[Tiberius]

For Civ3 and PtW Firaxis has chosen not greatest leaders but rather civ founders/unifiers.
Think about it: Joan d'Arc instead of Napoleon for the French, Osman instead of Suleyman the Magnificent for the Ottomans, Bismarck for he Germans and so on (except when there is an obvious choice, like Caesar or Hannibal).

If there will be a hebrew civ in a future expansion, I bet they will choose Moses to lead them.

[Robert]

David should be the king.
commercial / religous.

and their UU should be "prophets"

[Sean]

Asking this question of a Jewish friend, the immediate response was Moses -- almost as if it were self-evident to her.

Moses then. Even if this whole post is wishful thinking.
;-)

[jdd2007]

moses was certainly an important figure, but should be a great leader, not the king. that position goes to david, the greatest of the hebrew monarchs.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Tiberius
For Civ3 and PtW Firaxis has chosen not greatest leaders but rather civ founders/unifiers.
Think about it: Joan d'Arc instead of Napoleon for the French, Osman instead of Suleyman the Magnificent for the Ottomans, Bismarck for he Germans and so on (except when there is an obvious choice, like Caesar or Hannibal).

If there will be a hebrew civ in a future expansion, I bet they will choose Moses to lead them.

Or, in the case of the Chinese civilization, civ destroyers.

The leader who sells is the one that gets in.

[History Guy]

Well, here's what I think that they should do.

Israel/Israelites/Israelite
King David
Religious & Commercial
Capital City: Jerusalem
UU: Slinger, a fast, cheap archer that can be quickly produced and rushed into the field...2/1/2
Great leaders: Moses, Aaron, Saul, Solomon, Hezekiah, Maccabeus

I agree with Monsieur Sprucemoose that Solomon, for his late weaknesses in following the Jewish tradition and religion as he should have, shouldn't really be the leader. However, we've got a certain Chinese leader in the game who is also a downer...

[Tassadar500]

It really should not be Moses because he really only enocuraged intsead of concour or bring together. I was very upset the the hebrews did not make it in ptw. It should be king David. But with the characterisitcs we should also remember the things they have invented for the military. Just look at their tanks

[Palaiologos]

I think Abraham should be the Leader. I am currently reading the Bible again and think that he as the founding father of the Hebrews should lead them.

Traits: Religious, Commercial
Capitol: Jerusalem.
UU: "Unscrupulus merchant" or "Traitor"
but seriously slinger is the best i can think off. They were not into the military arts much. Perhaps if Clerics from CTP were in Civ3......

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
Or, in the case of the Chinese civilization, civ destroyers.

The leader who sells is the one that gets in.

Like I said, they chosed nation founders when there wasn't an obvious choice. Is it my fault that Mao was the obvious choice for Firaxis?
The leader who sells? Like Joan d'Arc instead of Napoleon or Osman instead of Suleyman the Magnificent? I don't think so. Of course it is one of the most important reasons, but not the only one. I still think they tried to choose a civ founder/unifier (and Mao is a civ founder in a way: he founded modern China). I'm not saying I like him, on the contrary, but he was important.

As for the hebrews, they would be a nice addition to a future XP.

PS I think this thread belongs to the Civ3 - Civilizations forum.

[notyoueither]

It would be kind of cool to call up Moses to trade Mil Tradition for Democracy...

[notyoueither]

He would have to get Monotheism for free though...

[Tiberius]

Indeed. However, a civ starting directly with monotheism would be very wierd. Not wierder than the hebrews reseaching polytheism, though.

[Zero]

Re: Firaxis: Ruler of the Jews

Originally posted by sprucemoose3311
Although Firaxis would never add a new civilization in a patch, if they did add the Hebrew their king should not be Solomon.
The biggest threat to Jewish culture past and present was idolatry. King Solomon built a giant Moloch statue in Gehenna. Moloch was a bull like god who accepted burning babies as sacrifices. Solomon may have built great structures but he helped usher in paganism and idolatry into Judaism. Thus he was helping to destroy what he protected.

that would be looking from a religious point of view. Idolatry is not an issue when it comes to Solomon if you were not a Jew eh? What only would matter would be whether if decline was due to Solomon's fault. Biblical text does not support any links other than that Solomon steered away from God thus God did not support him any longer which was blame for decline. This is not sufficient evidence for Non-Jews to point fingers at Solomon. However mood of Bible does indicate corruption, so if corruption was what brought Israelis down and it was due to Solomon's fault, then that would take away his credential as being a good leader.

EDIT: Aztecs often performed human sacrifice to their sun gods. Just because Solomon practiced religious practice outside of Judaism belief doesn't effect his status of having been a great leader that built israeli nation.

Mao is in as leader of china because he is probably the single most poweful figure in chinese history that changed China so much, whether he did more good or bad is another story to discuss.

[Destroyer]

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