UGO Preview Part 2 - ESPIONAGE Screen

[Zero]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


IMHO, when a company can't decide between historical realism (water poisoning), cold war paranoia so "James Bond's movie" (implanting nuclear device), and the sudden discover that terrorism exist in USA because of the orrible tragedy...
well, let me put in this way: point 1 and 2 should justify keeping the spy attack options into the game, point 3 mean that someone decided to ignore that terrorist attack killed thousand people everywhere in the world since many years, and we shouldn't forget millions of soldiers and civilians killed during wars (but fighting wars are at the hearth of Civ III, aren't it?).

Let me clarify this again: I respect the thousand of people died during the 9/11, as many others victims of others horror around the world.
I simply note that Civ II spy attack were not so similar to a suicide terroristic attack to offend common taste. It simply seems to me a bad case of unneeded Political Correctness.
But I live many more miles far from New York, so maybe I'm dead wrong.

you shouldnt be apologising for any possibility of offending the death of 9/11 nor defend the feature is anyway since thats not the issue. One should still intentionally put exact scenario of 9/11 in game since feeedom of speech and press is wat democracy is about.

The decision if they took out terrorist features because of 9/11, was made soley on marketing decision. Even if it is nothing about 9/11, some shmuck will find it offensive, rant and then it will be brought attention to public and sales will be hurt because of bad rep (sadly even if its undeserved bad rep can hurt sales).

[Cidifer]

that thing from spider man was made specifically for the trailer it wasn't in the actualy movie and it certainly didn't hurt as it's been the top grossing movie of the year, though LOTR should give it a good run for it's money. Also if you don't care about seeing the WTC being blown up in stuff then that's your bussiness you probably didn't lose any family memebers, that's selfish to say that people shouldn't be sensitive because you don't find it offensive. I mean why not have racist words in Civ3 while we're at it? How about if your Japan and the leader doesn't like your offer he calls you a stupid gook? hey I'm not asian it doesn't afend me! or you could think of similar things for the Zulu and the Chinese and Arabs and so on.

[player1]

By the way, some leader heads are already offensive to some people (not to me).

But since most buyers are Americans, not Greeks or Mongols...

Just look some old posts.

[Tiberius]

Oh my God! Have you seen the tons of buttons on the bottom of the screen (from the latest screeshots) when a worker is selected? I wish I had a button to turn those buttons off

PS I know I can hide the interface with "del" or something, but I'd like to turn off only the buttons and keep the rest visible! They are useless anyway when you already know the hotkeys.

[Cidifer]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Oh my God! Have you seen the tons of buttons on the bottom of the screen (from the latest screeshots) when a worker is selected? I wish I had a button to turn those buttons off

lol

[WarpStorm]

I'm sure there will be an option to remove the less used hotkey buttons.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Tiberius
I'd like to turn off only the buttons and keep the rest visible! They are useless anyway when you already know the hotkeys.

months of posts against Firaxis because many commands are only available using shortcut, then you want to hide them!

Oh well, I suppose that in screenshot we are looking at the full parade: as usual many buttons will be hidden anyway because they aren't appropriate to the selected unit (no many workers till mid game), terrain (no irrigation on a hill), available tech (no railroad until appropriate tech discovered), etc.

I bet you'll be more than happy anyway (if you aren't already, and just kidding to provoke reply like mine ).

[Adm.Naismith]

Oooops! Silly command made double posts.

[JonahFalcon]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Oh my God! Have you seen the tons of buttons on the bottom of the screen (from the latest screeshots) when a worker is selected? I wish I had a button to turn those buttons off

PS I know I can hide the interface with "del" or something, but I'd like to turn off only the buttons and keep the rest visible! They are useless anyway when you already know the hotkeys.

You can now right-click workers to do work, without using those buttons, in PTW.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Cidifer
that thing from spider man was made specifically for the trailer it wasn't in the actualy movie and it certainly didn't hurt as it's been the top grossing movie of the year, though LOTR should give it a good run for it's money. Also if you don't care about seeing the WTC being blown up in stuff then that's your bussiness you probably didn't lose any family memebers, that's selfish to say that people shouldn't be sensitive because you don't find it offensive. I mean why not have racist words in Civ3 while we're at it? How about if your Japan and the leader doesn't like your offer he calls you a stupid gook? hey I'm not asian it doesn't afend me! or you could think of similar things for the Zulu and the Chinese and Arabs and so on.

dude i live in NY, and and many people around me were affected.. Including my family. Some were physically hurt from the debris.. That still doesnt change it being from being stupid that they have to change things, just because "oh people died, things are emotional blah blah blah".

Why would it matter if Westwood's pic of WTC being hit by missle is not even intended to mock WTC incident is all im saying... think about that. let alone the box was created BEFORE WTC.

I can understand that this is a tragic event. Fortunately no family members were killed on my side and many of my friends almost lost their parents and barely escaped death. That still doesnt matter. I have plenty emotional reasons to not want to perhaps see WTC being blowed up... but I should not be offended by a content that isn't even in meaningful way connected to 9/11 or EVEN created after date of 9/11. (since they most likely wouldnt have known about the plan unless they had connection with al qaeda) Its so stupid that everyone around me treats 9/11 as almost a taboo. Everyone expects same thoughts and reactions. I hate how all arabs i know react equally. It's okay that they feel neutral toward the issue or have no opinion in the matter, but since they are kinda in a spotlight, they do act differently and sensitively when 9/11 is mentioned. It's not fair. This is free country and they shouldnt take all the heat of special treatment (not necesarily because they think of them a terrorist) cause they are arabs. and they don;t need to support american cause 100% like some blind patriot either. We know most of them are model citizens who pay their taxes and obey the law, we shoulnt create an uncomfortable enviornment for them so that they feel compelled to distinguish their loyalty to this country.

I know my profile doesnt have my location so you probably thought I was some guy who lived away from US where I was insensitve toward the emotional impact, but its the total opposite. Well you couldnt have known so I dont blame you. I was there. I missed school to hang at my friend's dorm in NYU that day and I couldnt have possibly have known what I was in for when I did that. But I wish I was far away cause I would have genuinely cared.... But being right here... I get to see all the ugly side that people ignore, refuse and don;t talk about. To exaggerate the issue, it's almost idea of democracy has been tossed away after the whole 9/11 on a psychological level. In that way terrorist did win. I hate that.

[Zero]

Beside even if it is intentionally geared to insult WTC. We have to let them voice their opinion. Thats the price of free country. Yes we have to let White supremacist demonstrate peacefully and protect them from mobs that will hurt them. THAT is DEMOCRACY... and emotion running rampant right now is destroying it and making people forget what the price of freedom is. Price of freedom is just not our soldiers sheding blood to protect us from these strange looking guy wanting to blow us up.

now that I hopefully cleared that we should have the right to our speech, I want to reemphasize that what saddens me is that I strongly feel most of the WTC editing done by Games and media was due to marketting reason. It shouldnt offend us. From logical point of view, it's not in meaningful way gearing toward WTC. Let alone the scene, concept art wasnt done after the 9/11 incident. Even if it was done related to WTC incident, would all racist statement as you mentioned be distasteful? As you said, you asked me if I would be offended by the word 'gook' in Civ. Well, how can I determine the offensive content without the usage? Word without usage is meaningless and I am perplexed to how to respond to your question. This goes with the forever unending controversy over the N word used by whites long ago to define blacks. JLo was flamed for saying the word on a song written by Ja rule? You can't just blindly declare something offensive, because it's "controversial". of course from marketting point it is best to avoid all controversial issues whether it is correct or incorrect.

And one more BTW, Im not japanese, which i think you referred me as.. thats a South Korean Flag. But it's understandable that you can get between asian country mixed up, i wont blame anyone for not knowing countries flag.. (I prolly wont do to well on eastern european flag test myself)

I just hope more people open their thoughts on WTC event. I may be trying to sound like I'm the only intelligent, wise person when I say this (Im not trying to.. I swear ), but it looks as just about I am the only one to TRY to see with unclouded eyes. Most people and friends when I talk to them almost sound like a robot. I can't blame them,. i can understand the emotional level, which is kinda hard to refute when most saw plane just crash right on (if not saw the building crumble down from far) and the media did a great job villifying the entire arab population that day by constantly reminding us that they cheered when the building came down.


and now i apologize for gearing this thread off topic.

[Tiberius]

Well, I was half kidding and half serious.

Being more serious this time, I'd like to say that:
- I've never posted against Firaxis because of unavailable shortcuts (I think you can safely remove the "because of unavailable shortcuts" part, because AFAIR I've never posted against Firaxis at all )
- I agree that until you learn the shortcuts it is good to have those buttons visible and the right click helps too.
- In the latest screenshot I've seen the bottom of the screen was seriously crowded. This, plus the fact that most of us use only the hotkeys after a while, makes me say that an option to remove the buttons from the screen would be wellcomed.
I know that if you press 'BACKSPACE' the shortcuts change position on the screen. Make it a little different this time: press 'BS' once -> move buttons to the right; press once more -> move buttons left; press for the 3rd time -> make the damn buttons dissapear !! ; 4th time -> buttons back on the bottom (of the screen ). Easy as that.

Finally, thanks for the info JonahFalcon, but right-clicking the workers when you already have all those buttons there doesn't really help (I'm not saying this to you, but to Firaxis).

I bet you'll be more than happy anyway (if you aren't already, and just kidding to provoke reply like mine).

Both

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Being more serious this time...

My post doesn't look that serious with all those smilies, does it?

[Zero]

will all those buttons be in the final release??

i like to talk sarcastic even when discussing seriously. Maybe adding smilies lot often like you can help people determine if I was attempting a joke or not (i get alot of "wat?".... either that my sense of humor is lame lol )

[sabrewolf]

in multiplayer games you seldom survive long if you use the mouse. MP-gods just use the shortcuts. (btw: same for good programmers: they hardly ever use the mouse, it's just way too slow). hope they have at least both options for every order and menupoint