Missiles = Ground Units ????

[Mr. Schwang]

Firaxis,

Please tell me there is a very good reason why missiles can be launched from anywhere on the map.

Please tell me why it often takes several cruise missiles to destroy a Modern Armor.

Please tell me why nukes don't obliterate my enemy's city.

The second question above I can fix in the editor (which I do), but what about the others?

I want to be forced to launch a nuke or cruise missile from a city or missile silo.

I want a nuke that will wipe out the population, all units, and most (if not all) structures in a targeted city.

[Adm.Naismith]

Re: Missiles = Ground Units ????

Originally posted by Mr. Schwang
Firaxis,

Please tell me there is a very good reason why missiles can be launched from anywhere on the map.



I want to be forced to launch a nuke or cruise missile from a city or missile silo.

Well, I'm not Firaxis and I'm not sure if you don't like this because you think is unrealistic or because of a different opinion about a "game mechanic".

On a realistic point of view, mobile missile launchers where available since years ago in USSR and USA.

[Mr. Schwang]

good point. but they are still considered ground units.

Realistically, then why can any other civ (other than Russia or the U.S) move missilis around, and launch them from anywhere?

[WarpStorm]

Well for one thing in real life cruise missiles are used to attack things that move real slowly like buildings. They are not used on tanks.

The only nukes used in war didn't obliterate Hiroshima or Nagasaki. They did a hell of a lot of damage, but didn't obliterate. Have you tried the nukes? They usually do about 80% damage (I don't care what the civilopedia says, Soren beefed them up at some point becasue they always do more than 50% for me).

If you want to mod things in the editor feel free. The immobile flag will do what you want. In real life most cruise missiles are ship launched, not from cities.

[Mr. Schwang]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
The only nukes used in war didn't obliterate Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Atomic Bombs are not in civ3. I'm talking about modern nuclear warfare.

A modern ICBM WOULD obliterate a city. (if a direct hit anyway)


And about the "Immobile Flag"...is that possible with ground units? afterall, missiles are ground units in civ3.

Are you telling me that you use Cruise Missiles in civ3 simply to destroy your enemy city's library? Please say no. I doubt anyone uses them (in civ3) for destroying buildings. Yes, you are correct, in real life, cruise missiles are used for bombing cities and buildings, etc. But then again...how similar is civ3 to real life?

[Optimizer]

About cruise missiles being ground units - I think of them as loaded on trailers. Sad that there is no animation of missiles on a trailers.

From a gameplay perspective, it is not strange that a Cruise Missile usually doesn't destroy a Modern Armor unit since the cruise missile is cheaper.

Oe can always bring up the discussion how many tanks there are in a Modern Armor unit, and whether a Cruise missile unit symbolizes a single one or several ones.

[Andrew_Jay]

one annoying thing about cruise missles is that you can't but them on boats or move them off an island.

[Dida]

I made BB's, DD's, Subs and AGEIS Cruise capable of carrying cruise missles.

[XOR]

You can put cruise missiles on transports. It seems Firaxis wanted to disable that option for some reason so the "load" order isnt there, but you can still load cruise missiles in transports by walking them into a transport that's on a coastal tile.

I am not sure of what I should edit of cruise missiles. Their range and attack need to be increased. After that, dont know. Cruise missiles could be fired from submarines, missile frigates, aircraft carriers, trailer trucks, B-52 bombers and I dont know what else. I think the preferred launch platform is B-52 bombers.

So one thing I thought about doing would be to turn them into air units, then I could put them on carriers and move them like aircraft.

Another thing I thought was to just make it like the tactical nuke, so it could be loaded on a sub, but then the sub would only load 1, or if I modify it, it will be able to load a huge tactical nuke loadout.

I still didnt care much about the launching from subs anyway, not even on Civ2, on Civ2 I used to load the cruise missiles (and nuclear missiles) on Carriers, but then carriers could carry, I think, 24 units. It said 8 but I could just keep moving in more and more of them and they would land in the carrier, which was ok because the carrier icon was similar to a US carrier that carried like 200 aircraft so 24 cruise missiles wasnt much.

I think maybe I'll make 2 separate cruise missile units, one that can go anywhere on the ground and one that is an air unit as if it was fired from a B-52. I want to edit it (along with other things) so that I can get Civ3 to be like how it should be, but I dont want to edit things into making it become a terribly different game, just into making it a kind of "fix".

[Dida]

B-52 is a bomber, and people usually don't fire missle from a bomber. Cruise Missle are mostly fired from Fighter Jets or from Warships. Most modern warships are capable of launching missles because this increase their range of attack. BBs after modernization can launch missle as well.

[XOR]

I know cruise missiles are fired from B-52s. I know there are also some type of them known as Exocet missiles that are ship sinkers and are fired from primarily from jets, but those are only anti-naval missiles, arent they?.

[WarpStorm]

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[Andrew_Jay]

cruise missles are big, and are carried on B-52, or big Russian Tupolov Bears and Backfires, just like XOR said. A jet fighter like the F-15 or Su-27 (the regular fighter) couldn't carry the big missles that the cruise missle represents. I think in Civ3 terms we are looking at stuff like V-2's and SCUD missiles, etc.

Exocet are anti-ship missles, and are fired from ships, and maybe strike aircraft, but still not fighter jets.

[Panag]

hi ,

since new units can be included , one can make several type of missiles , ....

have a nice day

[Gen. Maximus]

yep, cruise missiles only fires from ship or larger bombers. The only country that has been actively using this missile is the US and I doubt they have them ready to fire from their silos. They still have a limited range unlike the ICBMs and best they are mobile.