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And about 449 years longer than East Timor 
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Originally posted by des-esseintes
Wtf this is totally lame. Increased cost for spearmen?? Then why would you build spearmen? Their best use is for medium/quick defense in newly founded cities, not as the main component of your army. A 30 shields spearman would totally change its own applicability, if not destroy it totally.
But the Carthaginian sperman has increased attack and defence characteristics, making it an effective unit on the battlefield just like swordsman.
Yes they would loose some usefullness but they will gain battlefield supermacy on the early era."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
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Originally posted by The Bloody Baro
Well 450 years is longer than the U.S.
The USA shouldn't be in the game anyway.
"Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
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Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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And how about their traits, any disagreements?"Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
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Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Well historicly for the game the Carthagians should be Religous and Commercial for
A: Fought Rome for Commercial sea lanes in the Meditterearn [sp] 3 times.
B: They toss babies into fires to please their gods.
But for the game I'm happy they added another Ind, Com so I can play that way without being the retarded French.Comment
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Re: The Carthaginians
Originally posted by Palaiologos
Recently information has been released about the extra civs of PTW, and among them the Carthaginians.
Their leader is Hannibal Barca which is acceptable
I would suggest Hamilcar Barca.
Hannibal was never a politician. . .
P.S Has anyone seen a portrait of Hannibal in PTW?
That's an extremely good point I had not thought of.
You're right.
"A portrait of Hannibal"? There is a problem here. On certain black or African-oriented sites I have seen Hannibal depicted as looking more like Shaka than a PHOENICIAN.
Neither Hannibal nor Cleopatra were "black". I trust we will NOT see some Politically Correct image from Firaxis.Comment
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Re: Re: The Carthaginians
Originally posted by Coracle
That's an extremely good point I had not thought of.
You're right.
"A portrait of Hannibal"? There is a problem here. On certain black or African-oriented sites I have seen Hannibal depicted as looking more like Shaka than a PHOENICIAN.
Neither Hannibal nor Cleopatra were "black". I trust we will NOT see some Politically Correct image from Firaxis.
Actually i have been suspecting the same thing when they released the portraits of all the leaders except Hannibal.
I was reluctant to mention it in fear of getting classified as a "racist" and perhaps getting banned from Apolyton.
But since you made the start.....
Hannibal was not black as neither were the Phoenicians in general. There is no mention in the ancient texts of them being black ,quite on the contrary. All north Africans of the time were whites. Even the Numidians were dark skinned, not black(they fell to the Negroe category though).
Fireaxis has long proven her indiference to historical accuracy.
The stats of their UU are 2/3/1? ABSURD!!
Then the lightly armed Numidians were more effective in combat than the heavily armed,heavily armoured, professional Hoplite heavy infantry."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Fireaxis has a tendency to make a mokery of the leaders(just look at Medieval ages Shaka) and they will possibly do it again with Hannibal.
However the greatest insult to history would be a Negroe Hannibal.
They have listened to propaganda once(Turks), there is no reason they won't listen again.
Black Hannibal, black Cleopatra, black Athena...
What's next, black Socrates?
"Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Wow, Coracle's alive.Seemingly Benign
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Who have ever said that Hannibal or the majority of "Carthagians" were black? I think it is common knowledge that they were more like Italians/Spanish.
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And who have claimed that Athena or Socrates were black? I have not.Try my Lord of the Rings MAP out: Lands of Middle Earth v2 NEWS: Now It's a flat map, optimized for Conquests
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But Hagbart i was not reffering to you....
We were just discussing a possibility.
There is a lot of talk here in Greece about this african-oriented movement of making everybody who lived close to Africa a Negroe.
There is a book written by some American ,whose name eludes me at the momment, tittled "BLACK ATHENA".
He claims that ancient Greeks were Negroes.
Fortunately this movement has no influnce outside America."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Why do many think that Carthaginians should be religious? The only ones who claimed that they throwed children in the fire were the Romans who were their ancestral enemies.
The Greek sources claim they sacrificed themselves.
It was a Phoenician custom to sacrifice things in general in the fire.
But i don't think their savage religious customs clasify them as fanatics or fundamentalists, since i think that is what the religious trait implies."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Originally posted by Hagbart
Who have ever said that Hannibal or the majority of "Carthagians" were black? I think it is common knowledge that they were more like Italians/Spanish.
But they weren't exactly Norwegians either...
You couldn't help but throw in a comment about the Norwegians, could you?
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Budha was black :PThere is a book written by some American ,whose name eludes me at the momment, tittled "BLACK ATHENA".
Well, Chinese made a budha that was chinese, indos made a budha with an Indo look and indochinese made each their own budha image as if he was of the same etnic group as the locals. I think I once saw pictures of a budha with afro apearance, but I didnt note it at the moment because the statue itself was actually white, could have been made of ivory now that I think of it.Vini, Vidi, Poluti.Comment
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