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  • The Carthaginians

    Recently information has been released about the extra civs of PTW, and among them the Carthaginians.

    Their leader is Hannibal Barca which is acceptable

    I would suggest Hamilcar Barca.

    Hannibal was never a politician.He only became senator after the war.His father however yielded much power and to my opinion he would be more suiting for a leader.

    Whoever it is he should be titled Senator not King as i have seen on some screenshots. Carthage was ruled by a senate not a monarchy.

    Their Great leaders will propably be:

    Hamilcar
    Hasdrubal
    Hanno
    Bomilcar
    Mago
    Boodes(he was a senator but what the hell!)

    Their traits are commercial(most appropiate) and industrius.

    I would have suggested expansionist.

    After the First War the Punics started Empire building in Spain, and before that they continuisly opposed the Greeks for domination of Sicily. They had established colonies in Sardinia, Sicily and Spain and they are said to have reached the Americas.


    The most weird of all however is their UU, the Numidian mercenary.

    First of all the Numidians were known for their excellent cavalry which under Massinisa triumped time after time against the Romans in the Second Punic War. Numidian Infantry was used but they were essentially light javelin men and were not considered first rate troops.

    Their stats are 2/3/1 and they replace spearman.This makes them almost a superunit in ancient and medieval era. Furthermore Bowmen and hoplites lose their usefullness. Why would a Punic player build archers when his Numidians are cheaper and better?

    The must have a disavantage somewhere. Fireaxis must have thought of those things. Numidians will unbalance the game.

    They could have Phoenician infantry or the "Sacred Band", or even a phoenician trireme which surpassed the Greek ones in speed and manouvrability

    Any thoughts, agreements/disagreements and most importanly information would be welcome.

    P.S Has anyone seen a portrait of Hannibal in PTW?
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  • #2
    I don't know all that much about the Carthaginians, but after what I read here and elsewhere in the forums, I agree with you. And that unit does seem a bit like a superunit.

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    • #3
      1. Who said they were cheaper?
      2. I think the super-unit is the Gallic Swordsman 3/2/2
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      • #4
        I hope that Hannibal at least has the title of General, and not King, as has been mentioned before.

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        • #5
          Since they replace spearman they must have the same cost.

          In civ3 the UUs only have a change in stats not cost.
          I've heard that some UUs in PTW will have decreased costs but nothing is mentioned about an increase.

          That could be it.
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          • #6
            I believe I heard that the Carthaginian UU will have an increased cost somewhere. Possibly the latest Gamespot preview.

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            • #7
              Why must they have the same cost? There is nothing in the game mechanics that would require this.
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              • #8
                Carthage does belong in but maybe it might have been better to have the Phenicians since Carthage was just the largest Phenician colony.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #9
                  Yes, Phoenicians would better fit in the game. After all Carthage lasted for only about 450 years.
                  "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WarpStorm
                    Why must they have the same cost? There is nothing in the game mechanics that would require this.

                    I don't understand. I thought i stated my agreement with you on the cost subject.
                    "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

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                    • #11
                      Sorry.
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                      • #12
                        Wtf this is totally lame. Increased cost for spearmen?? Then why would you build spearmen? Their best use is for medium/quick defense in newly founded cities, not as the main component of your army. A 30 shields spearman would totally change its own applicability, if not destroy it totally.

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                        • #13
                          Hannibal is the only right leader of the Carthagians!
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                          • #14
                            And no we've not seen Hannibals portrait yet. It will be shown eventually...
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                            • #15
                              Well 450 years is longer than the U.S.

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