More Civs for Civ3!

[Parsifal]

If firaxis ever decided to release a number of new civs in addition to th 24 available after PTW, what ones should they be? Have a moan! Tell everybody why your# civ should be included.

#one you support rather than come from!

[King_Xerces]

My # 1 would definately be the Hebrews. Despite being relatively small, they have a history dating back almost 6000 years. They've spread to all 4 corners of the earth, and have had a huge impact on the way we think about the world. I personally think they should have been included to start with, as they've met and surpassed all requirements to being a vital part of our history.

Think of all the civ's the Hebrews have been in conflict with or lived amongst, and still survive up to this day. The Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Babylonians. Even the Chinese, Indians, or Russians if you count isolated groups.


The only reason they weren't included to begin with is the fact that they were never a very populous civ. But isn't that made up by the fact that they were culturally adept? I think I speak for everybody when I say "Firaxis, Give us the Hebrews! "

They'd definately be religious. I think a new quality would have to be designed to reflect their second trait, though. Maybe, something religious and spritual, like Charismatic. You could build a city next to someone elses capital, or on the other side of the world, having minimal corruption, increased happiness, and no chance of flipping.

For a leader, I'd either have to go with Abraham, or King David.

[connorkimbro]

i don't think the irish would appreciate being called "like the english" And canada and australia are both much different from ireland, historically speaking.

[connorkimbro]

refering to the hebrews:

You could build a city next to someone elses capital, or on the other side of the world, having minimal corruption, increased happiness, and no chance of flipping.

That would be WAY too powerful of an attribute. I'd say they'd be militaristic and religious. Even today, they've got a hell of an army, and back in ancient times, they were whipping lots of ass. When they weren't being enslaved, that is.

I agree, they'd be a great addition to the game though. It would also provide some great scenarios.

Arabs vs Hebrews
Egyptians vs Hebrews
Babylonians vs Hebrews
Persians vs Hebrews
Romans vs Hebrews

all of those happened at one point in ancient history, lol.

[Lecommencement]

I think the Inca would be a fun civ. Religious and Industial. Maybe allowed to be cities in mountians.

[Duddha]

Ethiopia

[connorkimbro]

Maybe allowed to be cities in mountians.

Or maybe allowed to get 1 food from mountains. though that could be rather powerful.

[notyoueither]

Hebrews, they deserve it.

Another Sub Saharan Afrian civ would be nice.

Inca... Maya??? Ask Ribannah. She knows better than I do which one warrants inclusion.

The Dutch too, just so I can heartlessly rib someone I know.

The Canadians? We're already in. We're the better conscience of the Americans.

[Tiberius]

How come that there are civs such as Scotland, Finnland or Serbia on your list, but no Hungary or Poland? In what way and when were they more important or powerful then these two once mighty kingdoms, who dominated Central and Eastern Europe for centuries?

...and the Aborigines? Come on! You can't be serious.

[Deathwalker]

I would also like to see the Huns added

[Whyeich]

Koreans, Religious and militaristic
but I think no figure fit for leader
who know leader for Koreans?

[Galvatron]

Well the Netherlands would be a really good addition to the game concerning their importance in the colonial period. Don't forget they defeated the military superpower at that time the Spaniards. Also a Canadian civ would be really cool. Think of all their achievements to became a powerful state (settled the west, unified the country under one great dominion,....). I don't really believe Indian tribes like Maya are important enough to be called a civ. At first they go down very quickly when the Europeans arrived and they never had such an important world-leader status the French or Spaniards had. Think about it: the Mayas where unknown before they were discovered but the Europeans had access to africa at the time they arrived at America.

[Parsifal]

Originally posted by Tiberius
How come that there are civs such as Scotland, Finnland or Serbia on your list, but no Hungary or Poland? In what way and when were they more important or powerful then these two once mighty kingdoms, who dominated Central and Eastern Europe for centuries?

...and the Aborigines? Come on! You can't be serious.

I am aware that Hungary and Poland had large medieval empires.

In the case of the Finns, they once inhabited most of north eastern Europe, and I can't see how the Poles and Hungarians are more important. The Serbs also had a large Medieval empire.

But in the case of the Scots, they were far more important. Ever hear of the Scottish Enlightenment. David Hume, Adam Smith, James Hutton, etc. Gave us modern capitalism, the historiography of progress which made marxism possible, geology. The idea of the social sciences is a product of the Scottish enlightenment. Also, James Watt, the guy whose development of the steam engine made the Industrial Revolution possible. Then later there was Alexander Graham Bell (telephone), John Logie Baird (television), James Dewar (vacuum flask), Robert Watson-Watt (radar), Alexander Fleming (penicillin), John Loudon MacAdam (tarmac), and many, many more.
People all over the world sing Amazing Grace and Auld Lang Syne. And the modern historical novel began with Scott, imitated by Tolstoy, Austen, Hardy and eveyone elseto give us the most popular novels of the 19th century. In adddition, to golf, tartan, whisky,etc, Scotland has clearly more important than Poland and Hungary put together in terms of influence on modern culture, ( I am aware of Marie Curie and Copernicus).

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Whyeich
Koreans, Religious and militaristic
but I think no figure fit for leader
who know leader for Koreans?

Koreans are already included in Play the World expansion, IIRC. So they aren't mentioned into this poll about "others civ to add" to 24 already defined (16 original Civ III + 8 added in PTW).

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Parsifal
But in the case of the Scots, they were far more important.

I'm sorry for such a long post, but Parsifal provoked me:

Sándor Körösi Csoma (1784 - 1842)
born: Körösfalva, Transylvania - died: Darjeeling, India
Körösi Csoma was a linguist, globetrotter and explorer. He set out on foot to Asia, to find the ancient homeland and origins of the Hungarians. Körösi Csoma prepared the first grammar index of the Tibetan language and the first ever English-Tibetan and Sanskrit-English dictionary. His works are regarded as milestones in Oriental linguistics.

John von Neumann (1903 - 1957)
born: Budapest, Hungary - died: Washington, DC
Von Neumann was a mathematician, chemist and physicist. He took part in the development of the first atomic bomb as a member of the Manhattan Project scientific team. He invented the logical basic concepts of the computer, such as the binary code.

Joseph Pulitzer (1847 - 1911)
born: Makó, Hungary - died: Charleston, SC, USA
Pulitzer, journalist, editor and pioneer of modern journalism, founded the Pulitzer prize.

Leo Szilárd (1898 - 1964)
born: Budapest - died: La Jolla, California, USA
Szilárd, nuclear-and biophysicist, was a member of the Manhattan Project scientific team. The development of the chain reaction of nuclear fission by combining uranium with graphite is associated to Szilárd's name. He was first to use plutonium to bring about an atomic reaction. He designed and built together with Fermi the first nuclear reactor. Leo Szilárd is also known as the father of biophysics.

Edward Teller (Budapest 1908 - )
Nuclear physicist Teller's main field of research is thermonuclear reaction. He was a member of the Manhattan Project scientific team, and took part in developing the nuclear chain reaction and the first atomic bomb. He also had a leading role in the building of the American hydrogen bomb (1952), and is therefore called the father of the hydrogen bomb.

Albert von Szent-Györgyi
born: Budapest on September 16, 1893 - died: 1986, Woods Hole, MA, USA
Invention: ASCORBIC ACID or VITAMIN C
Albert Szent-Györgyi won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1937 for his discoveries "in connection with the biological combustion process, especially in reference to vitamin C and the catalyst of fumaric acid."

... also other Nobel Price winners like Philipp E. A. von Lenard, Robert Bárány, Richard A. Zsigmondy, George de Hevesy, Georg von Békésy, Eugene P. Wigner, Dennis Gabor, John C. Polanyi, George A. Olah, John C. Harsanyi,

...also from today's people: George Soros, Andrew Grove, Ernö Rubik (inventor of the Rubik's Cube or Magic Cube), etc.

I could continue, but don't want to monopolize this thread. If you don't know them, it doesn't mean that other nations don't have famous scientist, inventors, poets, etc, who influenced today's culture, in a way or another.

Edited:
PS I really don't want to transform this in a "who's better, who's smarter, who's more important" competition, but if Scotland, Finnland and Serbia are there, I'd like to see there Hungary or Poland, as well.