List of UU thread

[Lawrence of Arabia]

With the new screenshots, I have decided to make a list of UUs for PTW. I'm not going to add screenshots. If someone else wants to, they are welcome. I just don't have the time. As more info comes, I will add it to the section. Feel free to speculate/flame.

Vikings: Bezerker (?/?/?) Amphibious Assault Guess 5/2/1 Upgraded Medieval Infantry
Spanish: Conquistador (5/3/3) Upgraded ?
Mongols: Keshik (4/2/2) Upgraded ?
Korea: Hwatcha (?/?/?/?/?) Guess Replaces cannon, requires no saltpeter
Celts: Gaillic Swordsman (4/2/2) Upgraded Medieval Infantry
Arabs: ? (?/?/?) Upgraded ? Some sort of ninja?
Carthagenians: ? (?/?/?) Upgraded ?
Ottomans: ? (?/?/?) Upgraded ?

[GoodFella]

I'm willing to bet the UU's for the three remaining civs from your original post will be:

Arabs: Mameluke, probably replaces knight
Carthagiians: Some kind of ancient elephant
Ottomans: Jannisery, probably replaces musketman

[Darkworld Ark]

Re: List of UU thread

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Vikings: Bezerker (?/?/?) Guess 5/2/1 Upgraded Medieval Infantry

I thought the Berzerker was an UU of the swordsman with anphibous, but I guess that MI makes sence too.

As for Carthage, I think it's safe to say that its some sort of elephant.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by GoodFella
I'm willing to bet the UU's for the three remaining civs from your original post will be:

Arabs: Mameluke, probably replaces knight
Carthagiians: Some kind of ancient elephant
Ottomans: Jannisery, probably replaces musketman

Mamelukes were, in reality, NOT Arabs. They were Circassians in the service of the ruler of Egypt.

Carthaginians should be a special swordsman.


It remains pathetic that Firaxis is calling a small group of thugs who never fought against another major power, the "Conquistadors". All they did was massacre native peoples and steal their gold, and then fight each other. Firaxis continues to make a mockery of History.

[narmox]

And Coracle continues to make a mockery of himself.

Can't wait till he gets banned, like on civfanatics.

[PMLF]

Originally posted by Coracle



It remains pathetic that Firaxis is calling a small group of thugs who never fought against another major power, the "Conquistadors". All they did was massacre native peoples and steal their gold, and then fight each other. Firaxis continues to make a mockery of History.

Actually, the "conquistadores" kind of military unit fought against the Moors during the "Reconquista". But they were not known as "conquistadores" at that time.

[GoodFella]

i know mamelukes weren't arabic, and I would like a tercio UU, I'm just putting down what I think is most likely to be released from Firaxis.

[Coracle]

OK, we both want the Tercio.

BTW, the Hwatcha. How can it REPLACE cannon when it was purely anti-personnel with no hitting power capable of knocking down walls? It also certainly did not have the same range either as a cannonball, be it solid shot or shell. Just add it to cannon.

[Palaiologos]

Coracle is at fault here.

The mamelukes may have not been of arab origin but they served in the arab armies of the time.They were essentially a caste of warrior-slaves who gradually rose to power and even took control of Egypt.Mameluke Egypt had the strongest army of its time and it was with this army that the Mongol hordes were stopped and the remnants of the crusader states were driven out.They even fought against Napoleon.

The Carthaginian Elite Unit should be the "Sacred Band".
The Carthaginian army rellied solely on mercenaries of Lybian and later Spanish origin.However it possesed a permanent elite trained force of native Phoenicians soldiers called by the Greeks "The Sacred Band".
They had white feathers and shields and fought in a phalanx formation.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by Coracle
OK, we both want the Tercio.

BTW, the Hwatcha. How can it REPLACE cannon when it was purely anti-personnel with no hitting power capable of knocking down walls? It also certainly did not have the same range either as a cannonball, be it solid shot or shell. Just add it to cannon.

If you look at the FIRAXIS graphic which is on this site, you can see that the Hwacha is not launching arrows, but some sort of solid missle.

Hwacha

[History Guy]

The Conquistadores were an excellent choice. They took back Spain from the Moors, and conquered vast portions of Southern and Central America (as well as Aztec-held Mexico), making it all the way up to the Mighty Mississip'.

Er...the Sacred Band was a regiment from Thebes in Greece, actually.

[The Bloody Baro]

Personally I think that the Carthagians should have a mercenary unit. It would require 2 gold to support and would be powerful. This a good idea that takes history in to account because the Carthagians relied heavly on merceniares.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by History Guy
Er...the Sacred Band was a regiment from Thebes in Greece, actually.

Right. It was the most militant group of gays in history.

[Palaiologos]

You are wrong History Guy

The "official" Sacred Band was indeed Theban.It formed the backbone of the Theban citizen army.

However as i wrote, this is how the Greeks called the Carthaginian elites.My ancestors had the habit of naming elite regiments in general "Sacred Band". A habit that remains still.(Sacred band In 1821,Sacred band in 1942).

Agathocles of Syrracouse in his Carthaginian Campaigns
faced the Sacred Band of Carthage numerous times, before finally decimating them at the Battle of Tunes in 310Bc.Even when General Hanno fell, these white dressed Carthaginian Elites refused to surrender and fell to a man.

As for the elephants which many are proposing,
these were not even used in the Punic wars(except the first one). During his famous cross of the Alps, Hannibal lost all his elephants but one, which he rode himself.

[Lord_Davinator]

the idea of mercenaries for carthage sounds really good... I think they should have a low production cost... and should cost 2-3 gold per turn... whether or not the unit limit is reached.