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  • #31
    Originally posted by Nuclear Master
    were can i download the pc editor
    Just download the latest version of the PC patch (1.21f at the time of this writing). Open it in Windows and install the patch; even tho you don't really have Civ3 for Windows installed, the patch won't balk. From the Civ3 directory created by the patch, move Civ3Edit.exe and CIV3EDIT.HLP to the same directory as your install of Civ3 Mac. Launch Civ3Edit.exe in Windows to use the editor.

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    • #32
      Yeah, it would be nice to cut off suply lines. But, the other thing to consider is the complexity in counting that. If you start saying about supply lines then you need to acount for suplies. Example, can a city support itself with the food it produces and for how long (thus, a number needed to count food). How much ammunition do they have (another number [and let's not forget that if we do that, we also have to start creating supply lines for out in the field]). See what problems it creates?
      Oh, you mean the red button launches ICBMs? Opps.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Trip

        (only if you block ALL coast tiles next to ALL their cities and ALL of their neighbors
        Now that is ridicolous. That would only work if you could build galleys till the end cause you'd have to pump out a million of them.

        I dont agree with those who want the CTP style trade - in that game (from the little I remember) the stuff you traded was hardly essential. One stupid privateer cutting off your one supply of oil every turn would be bloody annoying, especially if it was over a HUGE ocean.
        "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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        • #34
          What were you talking about? did you ever play CTP? In that game, trade was 10 times more important than in Civ3. You will get huge sum of gold by trading. In Civ3, I rarely do anything trading. If I really need one of their resources, I will use my military to capture it. Because I know the AI will want 100000 gold per turn in exchange for it.
          CTP style trade made Navy really important too. The primary role for the Royal Navy was to keep Britain's overseas trade route safe, not for heavy duty shore bombardment.
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          • #35
            Really? How did you defend a trade route over a big distance? I only played CTP a few times - maybe I should have traded more
            "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by NeoStar
              I dont agree with those who want the CTP style trade - in that game (from the little I remember) the stuff you traded was hardly essential. One stupid privateer cutting off your one supply of oil every turn would be bloody annoying, especially if it was over a HUGE ocean.
              That happened in real life over on this side of the Empire, cept it was german u-boats, and some of it managed to get through!

              I'd love to hunt down enemy shipping with a nuclear sub, or trying avoid sub, or trying to hunt it down to prevent it sinking my trade ships!
              Help negate the vegiterian movement!
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              • #37
                Originally posted by HazieDaVampire

                That happened in real life over on this side of the Empire, cept it was german u-boats, and some of it managed to get through!
                We we're alone for a while, after you Brits lost Singapore. We held out though, those Japanese midget subs weren't invincible!
                "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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                • #38
                  lol, the British midget subs were cool!

                  A crew in one of them was sent to plant limpit mines on a Japanese battleship, and when they got there they hid under the battleship, (with about 1m of water above them, and 1m below them was the sea bed!) the frogmen got out and planted the mines, then got back in the sub. By then the tide had gone out and the battleship was now lying on top of them!
                  After a hole load of flooring the pedal they got away, when the explosives went off the battleship went down to the bottom of the sea bed (only 3m down from where it was already!) The Recon spitfire found it hadn't gone under, so the crew were told to go set the explosives again, but they got lucky cuz the Japanese gave in to peace the day before they were went to go out!
                  Help negate the vegiterian movement!
                  For every animal you don't eat! I'm gunna eat three!!

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                  • #39
                    A supply/command system would certainly be complicated, but it's a separate issue from enhanced trade.

                    CTP trade sucked because they were just objects on the map which you had to juggle without much caring what they were or to whom you were trading them. Besides, playing on large maps the whole thing soon came to look crazy. Thank God I'm not epileptic, all those furs and spices crossing the screen I knew not where (and the routes themselves were all screwed up, particularly around the narrow latitudes).

                    I wanted to like CTP but before I was through the first age it was making me angry, very angry. It was full of things that should have worked but didn't. Now we have Civ3 which despite not being particularly innovative is at least FUN and better reflective of history.
                    A billion citizens scurry like ants beneath the spires of the great city, their underpants as pure as the driven snow. The whole world is in the iron grip of The Bottom Inspectors.

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                    • #40
                      nicely said snuggs

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
                        ...by then the tide had gone out and the battleship was now lying on top of them!
                        After a hole load of flooring the pedal they got away, when the explosives went off the battleship went down to the bottom of the sea bed (only 3m down from where it was already!) The Recon spitfire found it hadn't gone under, so the crew were told to go set the explosives again, but they got lucky cuz the Japanese gave in to peace the day before they were went to go out!
                        Good to see you got some revenge - I wonder what you'd have to have done to get that job! Probably crossed Churchill himself or something.

                        One of the less known things about them Japanese midgets, they fitted some kind of rocket on one and hit a building in Sydney
                        "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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                        • #42
                          ****ers
                          Help negate the vegiterian movement!
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                          • #43
                            They did that in london, cept it was and Irish dude with a missle firing it at the MI5/6 HQ! And it wasn't to long ago, and it wasn't a miget sub, and it wasn't fired from the water! But it was fired from over the water! I wonder, is this the same man who fired a rocket at sidney? hmmmmmm, maby he moved to Ireland and has changed nationality!? hmmmm
                            Help negate the vegiterian movement!
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                            • #44
                              Didn't they (IRA) say sorry or something? I doubt it'll improve their image - but at least they admitted fault.

                              I remember hearing about a similiar missile sub attempt by the Germans in NY. Makes you wonder how many ideas the Allies stole from Axis, eh?
                              "Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)

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                              • #45
                                The Germans were Axis
                                Help negate the vegiterian movement!
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