Civilization Specific Terrain Bonuses

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

, what you can do is let them start with a certain government or tech , ...

or you can let them start on a couple "flood plains" with some "wheat" on it , ....

have a nice day

hi,

The problem with the first suggestion is that it has nothing to do with terrain. The problem with the second suggestion is that I don't know how to put a CERTAIN civ in a CERTAIN spot on the map, plus...the effects would only be for that first city in that region anyways...

have a nice day

[GeneralTacticus]

Yes, but if I start near mountains and hills, and I am the Incas, then I would like to be able to plop a decent city, you know what I mean? Not every successful civilization has had their cities on the plains and grasslands and river beds...the Incas are such an example.

True. However, it might be better to have a 'mountain farming' tech or something, which would allow you to get extra food from mountains.

The Mongols are such an example.

The Mongols were hardly what could be called a Civ, at least until they went on their conquering spree. They were not settled people and did no farming. They got their food from their herds of domesticated animals.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus True. However, it might be better to have a 'mountain farming' tech or something, which would allow you to get extra food from mountains.

So would the Incas start with this technology? That is actually a good idea, but I'm still liking the terrain bonuses.

The Mongols were hardly what could be called a Civ, at least until they went on their conquering spree. They were not settled people and did no farming. They got their food from their herds of domesticated animals.

They proved that their were other ways to be successful besides farming, which is another reason why I think their should be unique terrain bonuses.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
hi,

The problem with the first suggestion is that it has nothing to do with terrain. The problem with the second suggestion is that I don't know how to put a CERTAIN civ in a CERTAIN spot on the map, plus...the effects would only be for that first city in that region anyways...

have a nice day

hi ,

okay , two options then , wait for the new editor , or check with Gramphos , in the help forum , ...

have a nice day

[Adagio]

I defently like this idea

And if it's optional, then I don't see any problem in it, I guess it wont be a big problem to make it...

How about starting a list with the different special bonuses for the different civs

Here's what we have got so far:

Egypt: +2 food on dessert (Or should it be on floodplain instead?)
Viking: +1 food on tundra (Maybe +1 food on forrest on tundra?)
Inca: +1 food on mountain, +1 food on hills

[Panag]

Originally posted by ADG
I defently like this idea

And if it's optional, then I don't see any problem in it, I guess it wont be a big problem to make it...

How about starting a list with the different special bonuses for the different civs

Here's what we have got so far:

Egypt: +2 food on dessert (Or should it be on floodplain instead?)
Viking: +1 food on tundra (Maybe +1 food on forrest on tundra?)
Inca: +1 food on mountain, +1 food on hills

hi ,

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, this could be something for more "civ specific abilities" , ....

have a nice day

[GeneralTacticus]

So would the Incas start with this technology? That is actually a good idea, but I'm still liking the terrain bonuses.

My point was that the bonus be available to anyone who really needs it, not just the Incas. After all, just about anyone who really had to could have done the same.

EDIT: btw, I'm not really against the idea of terrain bonuses, I just think that they should come with techs rather than being Civ-specific.

They proved that their were other ways to be successful besides farming, which is another reason why I think their should be unique terrain bonuses.

You are probably right, but it would be damn hard to represent the actual Mongol way of life in Civ, considering that it centers around cities and stuff. The Mongols didn't have cities.

[mwaf]

I agree with Andreiguy. We're trying to rewrite history, not replay it. Civ-specific terrain bonuses wouldn't be such a good idea in a non-scenario game, i.e. random maps.

Who says the Egyptians has to start near desert and floodplains? What if they (on a random map) start in the middle of a mountain range? What use would they have of their floodplain skills?

However, I don't think the idea of specific skills, is bad, at all. I just don't think they should be hard coded to a specific civ. Instead, perhaps they should be starting-location dependet. For instance, if your starting location provides you with nothing more than mountains and hills, you would after a while master the skill of farming mountains (just as the Incas had to in order to survive).

So according to my suggestion civ specific skills would neither be specified before the map in generated nor be an advance (like GeneralTacticus suggested), instead, it would be a skill compared to farming and road making.

[Panag]

hi ,

it shall be a lot easier when the placement tool comes with the new editor , ....

this way you can put this and that civ here or there , where you have put before hand wheat , or cattle , ....
no matter the terrain type , ...

have a nice day

[Adagio]

Originally posted by mwaf
I agree with Andreiguy. We're trying to rewrite history, not replay it. Civ-specific terrain bonuses wouldn't be such a good idea in a non-scenario game, i.e. random maps.

Well, it wouldn't be that hard to make an on/off button, for those who don't want to play with it...

Originally posted by panag
it shall be a lot easier when the placement tool comes with the new editor , ....

this way you can put this and that civ here or there , where you have put before hand wheat , or cattle , ....
no matter the terrain type , ...

Well...that's not the same...

[Purple]

Maybe the Mongols could have an advantage in terms of movement, say, double movement on unroaded plains tiles.

[Panag]

hi ,

, there is a kind of government bonus in now , ....
maybe with the arrival of new governments there are new things to do with the terrain , ...

example , socialism-communism should get one food less , one shield more , ....

have a nice day

[Adagio]

Originally posted by panag
there is kind of government bonus in now , ....

But it's not the same...

[Panag]

Originally posted by ADG


But it's not the same...

hi ,

yes that is true , but where should we go with this , ....

maybe the answer is more "civ specific-abilities" , .....

or options for each civ , ....

have a nice day

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by panag
maybe the answer is more "civ specific-abilities" , .....

That is what this whole thread is really about: Civilization Specific Terrain Bonuses