conquastidors wrong place in ptw

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by Reptilicus
It still reinforces bad history and plays on the ignorance of people.

Well....It IS a game. I doubt people learn history from it; as was said, 'You can take over the worrld in Aztec tanks.'

Civ isn't supposed to be completely realistic, otherwise there would be a random map enerator and you had to place cities exactly where they were founded in real life.

[Christantine The Great]

Since when is it Firaxis' job to inforce proper history?

But really, conquistadors should replace knights and have stats somewhere in the line of:

5-2-3

Because, the way I see it, this gives them an advantage over evil pikemen of the day.

[Christantine The Great]

The UU should be the tercio.

Although you may identify with tercio, most people identify with the quasi-romantic stories of conquistadors completely destroying the Aztec and Incan empires. It's stupid to put a complete unknown unit in, not a recognized and common knowledge unit.

BTW: Tercio, it seems, equals musket/rifle with bayonet. Nothing inovative there.

[dovlvn]

Originally posted by Christantine The Great
Since when is it Firaxis' job to inforce proper history?

But really, conquistadors should replace knights and have stats somewhere in the line of:

5-2-3

Because, the way I see it, this gives them an advantage over evil pikemen of the day.

they shouldn't come with knights that is far too early for them (too strong for pikemen).the stats you offered are good as I proposed if they come with musketmen and gunpowder. then all the difficulties including the historical ones are solved

[dovlvn]

Originally posted by Christantine The Great


Although you may identify with tercio, most people identify with the quasi-romantic stories of conquistadors completely destroying the Aztec and Incan empires. It's stupid to put a complete unknown unit in, not a recognized and common knowledge unit.

BTW: Tercio, it seems, equals musket/rifle with bayonet. Nothing inovative there.

I agree If you have a famous UU why use an Unknown one? (although a tercio like unit would be a good general unit for the time between musketmen and rifle men

[Coracle]

Tercios are only "unknown" to people with no knowledge of Military History - such as Firaxis.

Tercios were strong as they combined early muskets with pikemen - units which usually did not fight alone. The Swedes also combined them, as did eventually others. Civ 3 does not reflect that. Tercios were the most powerful example.

There is NO bayonet-armed flintlock musket in the game. In other words, Firaxis is so pathetic with realism they neglected the significant difference between slow-firing muskets of the 16th and 17th centuries that did not have bayonets as compared to the faster firing bayonet-armed muskets of the 18th and early 19th century.

Conquistadores are NOT "a famous UU". They were NEVER a UU. They were a small bunch of gold-hungry thugs who spent their time massacring Stone Age people - which they could do only with the tremendous help of disease and Native America allies. They then started killing each other. Did you know Pizarro was murdered by his own men?

Conquistadores a UU? That is BAD HISTORY and just plain FALSE. But what does Firaxis care if it SELLS? They don't care.

[Tridotan1]

It is possible that Firaxis will make the Conquistador a unit that will be unique in being able to be useful for up to four different purposes.

1.Exploring
2.Fighting
3.Founding Cities
4.Looting Extra Gold When Capturing

The conquistador might, just might be a true moment of genius by Firaxis. For example; we may see a unit that replaces Cavalry(and is very similar statistically) and has the ability to found cities, loot extra gold and wreck improvements quicker.

Just a thought.

[Christantine The Great]

Tercios are only "unknown" to people with no knowledge of Military History - such as Firaxis.

Your opinion and a personal insult to boot. Not very nice of you.

There is NO bayonet-armed flintlock musket in the game.

There is also no need for such specialization. Musketmen cover the first hand cannons up to muskets used by the Americans and British in the Revolutionary War. Riflemen pick up after that.

Conquistadores are NOT "a famous UU". They were NEVER a UU. They were a small bunch of gold-hungry thugs who spent their time massacring Stone Age people - which they could do only with the tremendous help of disease and Native America allies. They then started killing each other. Did you know Pizarro was murdered by his own men?

They're not famous? I dare you to post a poll with the simple option "Tercio or Conquistador" and the only content of the post be "Which did you hear of first, not counting hearing it on this board from me". Then we'll see how well known the tercio is.

Who cares if Pizzaro killed his own men? Were all of the tercios nice guys who never murdered? The simple fact is that more people identify with "Conquistador". Gee, Immortals won the day because there was so many of them...does that diminish their status?

With the magic of "paitence", though, you can MAKE the tercio in all its glory. That's what the temp. excuse for an editor CAN do, despite your extreme distaste of it, CivIII, Firaxis, and everyone who disagrees with your views.