Are there enough "quality" civs left for Firaxis to eventually release another XP?

[snuggs]

How about that the union was referred to as 'Poland' by all countries after the 1560s - even by Russia which bordered only Lithuania - that Poland annexed a big piece of the Ukraine, hardly the action of a minor partner - and that the Polish aristocracy and structures of government came to predominate over virtually the whole area?

Let's face it, there are some great empires that'll never make it into any expansion and Lithuania will just have to be a custom civ. Vytautas, mine enemy!

[Sonic]

Let's also face that Lithuanian GD in it's best times was bigger than Poland-Lithuania and, obviously, Poland. At the time the union was created Lithuania wasn't so strong as it was for many years before. But again, there were no Roman Empire, Babylon at that time at all. So, I think was the empire strong in late middle ages means nothing, many huge empires risen after and before that. Yes, Lithuania was much weaker in it's peak than most of other empires in civilization (stronger than Babylon but considering into account Babylon's input to the world's history I do agree Babylon was "better" empire than LGD). But Lithuania was certainly stronger than the following: Kingdom of Israel, Poland, Carthagine, most unorganised native tribes from America and Africa (except very obviously empires like Aztec) and some others ussually made into RTS and TBS games. At the best times Lithuania was about of size of current days Saudi Arabia. It is not large in the world terms but in European terms it was (and is) quite large. The only reason why companies doesn't includes LGD are that current days Lithuania there are not so much gamers and if there are they are not very rich to buy many games. Poland is much bigger and such republics as Korea has many people. I seriously don't believe anyone in the world would add Korea as civ if now there would be no South Korea, only the DPRK. This is also the reason why Arabs, who created one of the most glorious nations and one of biggest religions in worlds history, are so rarely included to RTS/TBS games. As for long died empires like Roman, gaming companies obviously has to include them because of their importance and I do agree with that, but you must face that other countries are chosen mostly by their current size and importance and that Lithuania was stronger than many (but not most) countries included in RTS/TBS games.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by statusperfect Keeping in mind that America ( ) was in the original game my answer is: It doesn't matter.

Keeping in mind that this game wouldn't exist if there was no America, I boo at that comment.

As far as making up 8 new civs:

1. Israelites/Koreans/Incas
2. Israelites/Koreans/Incas
3. Australia
4. Austro-Hungarians
5. Dutch
6. Portuguese
7. Malians
8. Thai

Man...there are so many good European civs. And so many good Asian civs...it's so hard to decide. But I made Europe even heavier because those are the civs I would like to see the most.

[Q Classic]

there are quite a few good civs.

it's just a matter of awareness.

if more people knew that korea wasn't the same as china or japan, and knew what it'd done in the past, there would be more support; same for the khmers, the thais, the mughals... the ashanti, etc., etc., etc.

just happens to be a eurocentric world we're living in, and that's why the only civs anybody really learns about in their textbooks in the west is european civs.

[snuggs]

Sonic - do you have EU2?

[Sonic]

Snuggs, no, I have EU1

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by snuggs
Sonic - do you have EU2?

Originally posted by Sonic
Snuggs, no, I have EU1

What is this? The EU forum?

[snuggs]

Last EU-related thing I swear, but Sonic may be interested to know (may already know) that EU2 begins in 1419 and thus with Lithuania as a playable nation. If you want to replicate the Union but with a Lithuanian focus it's simplicity itself to fiddle the events file so you inherit Poland some time in the C15 rather than the other way about. Then you can busy yourself with the retro-conquest of the Mongol empire (Russia and the Tatar khanates are better modelled in EU2, too).

You could even make Lith pagan if you wanted to :-)