What will the remaining 2 unknown civs be?

[civman2000]

i'm getting suspicious that a roman scenario will also be added...

[KaiserIsak]

The arabs and the babylonians are two completly different civilizations.
The babylonians are in the game as the assyrians, hettitians, sumerians, akkadians and the babylonians. These were among the first civs to develop ever, and they used ancient languages (sumer is not related to anything we know of, and akkadian is related to semitic i think, hittitian is a indoeuropean language and babylonians and assyrians used the akkadian language). They were the first to develop writing, and were the first to build cities. They dominated the "world" (near east with persia, anatolia, egypt and middle east) for centuries, even milleniums, and even if the babylonians only lasted a few hundred years as a great power, their city were the religious center and famous for their wonders.

The arabs are originally nomadic semitic people living in the deserts and semi-deserts on the arabian peninsula. Lead by Muhameds successors, they conquered the two greatest civilizations in the world, the byzantium empire and the sassanidian persians. The byzantiums survived their raids, but lost their richest territory syria and northern africa. The arabs had in hundred years since muhameds death conquered an empire from southern France to the indus and they even fighted the chinese tang dynasty. This empire did not last so long, but the cultur, language and religion the arabs brought with them shaped the hole of this territory. The arab cities of Cordoba, Cairo, Damascus, Samarkand and Bagdad were the worlds scientific and cultural centers. The arab wise mens collected knowledge from the hole world, and the are indirectly on of the reasons for europes own knowledge since they learned it from the arabs.

The turks are a nomadic people from central asia. They have their own ethnic group and dominated the muslim world from about 1060 and untill 1918. In many of these years turkish empires were the strongest in the world (selsjuk turks, ottoman turks, mameluk turks were all the most powerful in the world at various stages).

In comparison the hebrews were a mayor power under three great kingd, and after that conquered.
The us have only excisted for three centuries, and are much more similar to the british then all these. And they have only been an international power for about 50 years (the isolationism before the second world war made them be non-excistent on the international arena).
Offcourse i would like to see the koreans ad the incas, but i must face that my own favorite, the incas are not worth it conpared to the arabs and the turks.

[civman2000]

I doubt hittites would be included under "babylonians"...but I agree with the rest

[KaiserIsak]

I dont remember the hittite capital, but i think it is in the babylonian city list. But I maybe wrong on that.

[KaiserIsak]

Hattusa was it called, i just got it. It probably is´nt in their list, but maybe it should be? And the urartu empire should maybe be as well.

[kring]

Originally posted by civman2000
i'm getting suspicious that a roman scenario will also be added...

Why not? They are doing a Shogun one; I would expect a Greek and Egypt one as well.

They will be 10 scenarios based on the article I saw at CivFanatics.



There is a new Jeff Morris interview on Gamespy about Play the World. The interview contains lots of interesting stuff and I recommend everyone to read it. Here is a summary of the new info:





New game types such as Capture the Flag and Regicide can be played in single-player. For the Capture the Flag mode, the "flag" could be a flag, a relic or an artifact. You need to take it from their city and take it to your own. Regicide puts that Civ's leader in one of their towns. If you take the town, you take the leader out and win the game.

Autobombard effectively orders a cannon or bomber to auto-bombard a square or city. You can do that with a stack of units, effectively ordering a stack of bombers to keep attacking the same square every turn.

Better stack movement, so you can marry a settler and a warrior or a warship and a transport together.

Spanish conquistador unit replaces calvalry, but doesn't need gunpowder.

Two units in the same character is now possible. This opened the door to adding units to existing character like catapults. Now you'll see guys falling down when the catapult is destroyed.

Play-by-email games have player passwords and admin passwords. If someone quits halfway through a long game, the admin can replace them with an AI or another player.

Players can set victory conditions so you can win a game by capturing a single enemy city -- first one to lose a city loses the game!

Victory Points: Some locations can be worth more than others. If you hold them at the end of the game the one with the most points wins.

Once again, the scenario editor WILL be released in June as a free download.

Balanced Multiplayer Scenarios: You can specify detailed things like "everyone gets six grasslands, all irrigated and with roads."

The game will shipped with 10 multiplayer scenarios.

World Map with Historical Start Locations for Civs will be included in the June patch!


These are all great stuff! The only disappointing thing is single player scenarios such as World War II may not be included. "Rather than take that upon ourselves, we're letting the people who really love the history of the eras do it. We're giving them the tools to do it", says Jeff Morris.

http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/civ3interview/

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[monkspider]

I have no problem with either the Arabs or Turks being in, in fact I have frequently defended them against people who have said in the past that Persia and Babylon ably represents them.
I do, however, have a major problem that both of them are in at the cost of the Koreans and Hebrews.
I'm not quite as angry as I was last night about it, but we, the civ 3 community, need to let Firaxis know this is silly.
Actually naming them Gauls instead of Celts is highly silly as well. What on earth were they thinking with that?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think both of them SHOULD be in at the cost to the Koreans and Hebrews .

[Spiffor]

Gaul was the name of the territory which encompasses France & Belgium I think. Their identity was not bound to the territory (there were plenty of tribes) but to their ethnic origin : Celts. They referred themselves as Celts, rather than Gauls, which was the name the Romans gave to them. I'm sure the standard Apolyton modpack will replace them by Celts, those who encompass both British islands and Gaul territory.

BTW, Gauls are not ancestors of the French, even if it's taught in French schools : French are mostly from Latin ascent, and are considered a Latin folk (sure there was some interbreeding)

[Jon Shafer]

If people have such a problem with "Gaul" instead of "Celts", then just rename them in the editor. It'll take you all of 1 minute maximum.

[Spiffor]

Trip :
We would have to change the cities' names too : the Gauls cities will all be named from the mainland part of the Celt culture, none from the British part, which would be sad.

[Jon Shafer]

Okay, tack on an extra 5 minutes for adding city names then.

[monkspider]

It is just the thought that Firaxis could have commited such a serious folly that has us flustered Trip.
I guess I can just copy/paste the Celtic names from the XP pack in the Civilizations forum.

[monkspider]

double post

[KaiserIsak]

It will we wrong to say that todays french people are not the ethnic descendents of the Gauls. After the fall of the roman empire, german tribes like the franks, the visigoths (later settled in spain and south france), the burgunds and many other settled in France. Since there is very unlikely that the Gauls simply dissappeared, most people believe that they after a while got accepted into the german tribes. So todys french are a combination of the Gauls, the romans and the german tribes.
But they are culturaly in the lating group as descendents of the romans.

Like i said the arabs and the turks have had much more impact on the world then the hebrews, and i therefore think they should be in. The hebrews was great under Saul, David, and Salomon. After that they were conquered. And even when they were great they did´nt controll so much.
I dont know about the koreans, but they definatly should not be covered up by the chinese civilization, as they are very different (at least language and ethnic group). But I do feel that they are not one of the most important. (think abut the khmer empire, the incas, the bysantines+++)