What will the remaining 2 unknown civs be?

[JtheJackal]

Originally posted by jugurtti
I've always been annoyed because of having all english, french and germans, whose difference i really in real history can't tell and which i see belonging to the same civilization. I can't see much point adding dutch of spanish.

What history book do you read?

[Chieftess]

I would say the Incas (or Mayas) - there'd better be an ability to build on the mountains! ... There needs to be a SA civ. I don't know who the 2nd might be (Turks?).

I also picked Polish, being part Polish myself, and Germany and Italy are already in there...

[JtheJackal]

Originally posted by History Guy
I'm not convinced of the Korean Civ being in the game either. The picture could very well be from the Feudal Japan set-up. I'd like to see just a bit more evidence before I make a judgement on it.

That unit was used in Korea. The Koreans had thier tiny limelight in history centuries ago. Its a perfectly reasonable civ to have.

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by History Guy
I'm not convinced of the Korean Civ being in the game either. The picture could very well be from the Feudal Japan set-up. I'd like to see just a bit more evidence before I make a judgement on it.

Can't be. The name doesn't sound Japanese, and besides I don't think they used gunpowder much in wars - only to start it (based on a Kurosawa movie I saw).

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm hoping for the Ethiopians and Inca but I honestly think the Turks will beat out the Ethiopians.

I'm really hoping to see the Ethiopians included, but I share your doubts. Too bad, really. Most Americans seem to only know Ethiopia for the famines of the mid-70s.

If the Turks are included, they'll be right up there with the Iroquois (apologies to Ribannah) on my "don't really care" list.

[monkspider]

Frankly, I think it would be more likely that Turks would be grouped under the Arab umbrella, than vise-versa.
I would like to see the Ethiopians too though.

[Jon Shafer]

Incans, Turks, Arabs or Israelis. If it's anything other than that, I'll eat this Coke can.

And including the Canadians or Australians would be... umm, half hilarous and half idiodic. No offense to either Canadians or Australians, but they're basically just English/British. Though I can see people complaining about including America then, but American culture is far different from British, and really have built a civilization of their own. Hell, Canada and Australia are still part of the British Commonwealth.

[Andrew_Jay]

No problem Trip about Canada not belonging as a civ, especially since they are trying to pick a fairly small number of good civs. If there were 30-40 or 50 I'd want Canada in it. Besides, I'd be embarassed if Canada was included, since there would be a great deal of outrage on these forums

[Master Marcus]

Originally posted by Trip
Incans, Turks, Arabs or Israelis. If it's anything other than that, I'll eat this Coke can.

And including the Canadians or Australians would be... umm, half hilarous and half idiodic. No offense to either Canadians or Australians, but they're basically just English/British. Though I can see people complaining about including America then, but American culture is far different from British, and really have built a civilization of their own. Hell, Canada and Australia are still part of the British Commonwealth.

Just English/British??? British Commonwealth?! almost as prehistoric as monarchy. We live in North America for Christ sakes. You don't travel much, do you??? The world is bigger than you think.

Oh, but no offense taken : the ONLY part of your statements that shows some sense is when you say hilarious...of course within a 24-civs game. Bien sûr que le Canada n'est pas une civilisation, c'est un amalgame de plusieurs peuples dont la richesse est en partie dépendante de son puissant voisin du sud.

[Spiffor]

On the main page at CivFanatics, Thunderfall says :
"The other two Civs are probably the Turks and the Mayas/Incas"
Sure, he probably joins the pseculation, but I think His Words Are Backed With some facts or direct info from Firaxis.
We'll see in the next 3 days (E3)

[Yurt]

The Ethiopians would be a good choice, but if you were playing on a world map, you would start in a not-so-habitable place.

I would like to see Canada or Australia in the game on one level, but on another it doesn't really make sense to have a 130 year old civ (Canada) competing with civs that died out 2000 years ago. Canada would be a necessity in a world war 2 scenario though. I usually imagine that the Iroquois are Canada, since they start in more or less the right area and, if the Americans are in the game, usually end up with about the same borders.

I doubt we'll see Turkey, because that would make the middle east potentially way too crowded (well it is, but it doesn't work in the game). With Greece, Egypt, Babylon and Persia surrounding it, I think Turkey is better off as a place for these civs to fight over. Also, it would be another situation where the civ would have a bad starting location.

I think that the Incas are a must, simply because South America is otherwise empty and the Incas did have an important role in history. This is another situation of a bad starting location though.

I doubt Israel will be included. It is just over 50 years old. The Jews would be a more likely possibility, but they weren't a typical civilization, with cities and borders and such. Plus I'm sure Firaxis doesn't want to get involved with any controversies.

I also don't think the Koreans should be included. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Korea has always been a small nation, and its only historical conflicts were with China and Japan. Obviously it should be in the Japan scenario, but not in the standard game.

As you can probably tell, I play on the world map (Satya's) a lot, so I'm not a fan of really close starting locations. I like the Celts, though, because it adds a different kind of culture to Europe instead of the typical industrial civs like England, France and Germany.

[moomin]

I'd like to see the Polish and the Austrians for some sim-EU. But if thunderfall says Turks and Incas, that's probably it.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Master Marcus
Just English/British??? British Commonwealth?! almost as prehistoric as monarchy. We live in North America for Christ sakes. You don't travel much, do you??? The world is bigger than you think.

I didn't say just English/British, I said basically. I thought Canada was on the moon... No need to hint at flaming. Take things as they come. I'm willing to hear the argument about how the Americans maybe should not be included, the least you could do is the same.

Oh, but no offense taken : the ONLY part of your statements that shows some sense is when you say hilarious...of course within a 24-civs game. Bien sûr que le Canada n'est pas une civilisation, c'est un amalgame de plusieurs peuples dont la richesse est en partie dépendante de son puissant voisin du sud.

No, I meant if the game with 1000 civs... I'd include Liechtenstein before Canada...

If Canada is such a mix of cultures, then why are people arguing that it is its own culture? True, it may be different from anywhere else in the world, but it's not as unique a culture as, say, China. Even if it was, it hasn't accomplished much outside of the fame of Britain.

[kring]

Has anyone seen anything official?

I haven't voted yet, still thinking about it. I don't think there are any guarantees that American (North/Central/South) or Middle Eastern/African will be in it. It will be interesting to see if Celt and Korea are in it. I have read the evidence (on both sides) and it could be interpreted either way. Making Brennus leader of the Celt/Viking group, Hwacha Japanese or Chinese, or even just a unit buildable by anyone to add additional artillery to the game.

I have no preference.

[Spiffor]

Well, if Firaxis tells that Brennus is the leader of the Vikings, it will be utterly stupid. They made some mistakes in a pure historical point of view, but I haven't seen such nonsenses so far... Like saying Caesar is the leader of the Russians.
In the hypothesis that this utter stupidity happens, I'll edit Brennus' name right away, to make something like "Erik the Red" or whatever known Viking leader name. I don't have problems with this : I don't know either Brennus' nor Erik's faces. Much easier to change their names than renamin Joan into Napoleon