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    Given the magnitude of the changes announced for the expansion pack so far, there can really be no doubt that the expansion is, in fact, nothing short of "Civ3: full version." The new civs, the unit packs, those are definite expansion material. The multiplayer modes? OK, I can buy that as an "expansion" rather than "commercially marketed patch." Some of the gameplay features added, however, definitely move this out of the realm of expansion packs and into outright upgrades.

    Now, on the one hand, this means that the expansion will include far more than most people had hoped, which is probably a good thing (even if it does mean that it's almost definitely going to be in the full $30-$40 range, at the minimum, although I have seen full single games with shelf prices going up to $70 on ocassion and in this case that IS charging for twice as much packaging.)

    On the other hand, however, this basically amounts to an admittal by Firaxis/Infogrames that the Civ3 originally marketed was essentially a pay-for beta.

    This poses somewhat of a dilemma, because I'm not sure whether I should be thankful for the extra functionality or irritated that they've given up the pretense of having delivered a product in its final (if shoddy) state.
    62
    WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! New stuff!
    51.61%
    32
    I'm not paying $40 for a patch full of features that should've been there before
    14.52%
    9
    I don't care, all I wanted was [multiplayer/scenarios/other key feature] and the rest can go in the garbage
    1.61%
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    They really should've pushed back the release in order to put in some of the features such as bombard and airfields, and then had an ACTUAL expansion pack with the new civs
    9.68%
    6
    Better late than never.
    22.58%
    14

  • #2
    Better late than never. One day they will be punished for this.
    I watched you fall. I think I pushed.

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    • #3
      I'm getting a little anxious to see how the XP will play out. I'm not gonna buy it right away. Rather I'll wait until I've read a couple of official reviews as well as listen to what the Poly'ers are saying.
      signature not visible until patch comes out.

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      • #4
        Wheee, new stuff -- AGAIN!
        This game keeps on changing so fast. Accompanied by my playing such long games, I can't even get a single game completed before a new version comes out.

        I wish they hadn't done the press release, actually. Should'a treated it like they do the patches and made it a SURPRISE Release.

        (I must be really weary today).

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        • #5
          WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NEW STUFF

          v1.21 fixed the problems with the game and made 4x gameplay fun again. Civ3 is complete (almost). Now I want the gravy.

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          • #6
            I dunno. Maybe the editor in a patch would have done more for PR with the fanatic community. It looks like the summer is goin' be a long, hot one.

            Personally... Wheeeeeeeee.
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            • #7
              i know no matter what i believe i'm going to buy the XP the day before it comes out, and i'll be playing MP for a week straight with my friends soon thereafter.

              funny how a soul-less cooperation gets us all to sell our souls... wonder where they keep them. perhaps sid feeds on them to maintain the girth.
              Last edited by Inverse Icarus; May 8, 2002, 19:44.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by UberKruX
                i know no matter what i believe i'm going to buy the XP the day before it comes out, and i'll be playing MP for a week straight with my friends soon thereafter.

                funny how a soul-less cooperation gets us all to sell our souls... wonder where they keep them. perhaps sid feeds on them to maintain the girth.
                Sid can sense your weakness, UberKrux

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                • #9
                  better late than never... maybe ill actually start playing the game i payed $60 for when i download the expansion pack off of kazaa...

                  erm.. whoops, did i just say that out loud
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                  • #10
                    $40?!?


                    No way. I'll wait. I don't care if I have to get it via Jewel Case only.
                    I drink to one other, and may that other be he, to drink to another, and may that other be me!

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                    • #11
                      I've been dieing to get my hands on the MP version but I can't help feeling cheated by paying twice for a feature that was originally adverticed as being in the first release.
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #12
                        Everything but the extra terrain modules should have been included in the initial release. And the terrain modules should have been a free download.

                        I expect that Civ4 will take two X-Packs to be a complete game. Infogrammes just found a new profit center and we should now expect all their games to be released in increments so that they can hit us up 2-4 times to get the whole game.
                        "The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved - loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves."--Victor Hugo

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                        • #13
                          If you asked me this question 8 months ago, short before the release of Civ3, I'd say "they should wait to release the complete game". It was a sure thing to me that the game would be rushed / incomplete (I was surprised by the lack of fixed starting positions though).
                          But I got the game, and I truly liked it these last 6 months. I played Civ3 as much as some other favorites games of mine (Diablo2, Final Fantasies). So I was wrong to want them delay the game. Civ3 first implementation is really solid in terms of SP without scenarios. Civ3XP will expand the single-scenarioless experience.
                          So I voted wheeeee !
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Carver
                            WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NEW STUFF

                            v1.21 fixed the problems with the game and made 4x gameplay fun again. Civ3 is complete (almost). Now I want the gravy.
                            Exactly my feelings, but I guess people will start calling us 'fanboys' and saying our opinions doesn't count

                            Comeon ppl, perhaps civ3 didn't live up to your expectations, but it's more entertainment for a longer period of time than most games, right? It certainly has been for me!

                            And I will never understand why people who doesn't like a game spends as much time in the civ3 forums as some people do...
                            /Cesa

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