1799 will never be the same

[Paddy]

a napoleonic game with a few twists

4 human players - the rest AI

initially no set war agianst any particlar nation
so all set alliances to be removed

we just be europe going about its business etc

the napoleonic pbem map will have some changes

- England will give over its Portuguese holdings to Spain

- England will give over it's Naples holdings to France, Austria and the Ottoman

- Sweden will be split up between England and Prussia
thus Sweden is not a player in the game, but her land starts with two players straight up

- England gets the French Danish holdings for Amsterdam

- Settlers to be enabled

- Bombard option enabled on ships of the line
and possibly men-o-war
(opinions needed on this bombard issue, I just feel that with settlers on then we have plenty of growth / expension available)

you have the choice of the following nations in play order:

Russia - Czar MickeyJ

France - Prince Paddy

Britain - Lord Gunner

Ottoman - Sultan Andy


And the AI:
Austria

Spain

Prussia

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
I'm interested as well. However, a few questions.

Won't the AI players essentially be sitting ducks for the human players? I have never played a PBEM with a mix of human and AI players, but I have read there are some problems with this arrangement. I think the problems are in the "fair play" and "balance" areas.

That aside, I'm willing to give it a go. I'm interested in England, please. And fully admitting that I'm greedy and self-serving, I would like Man-o-Wars to have bombard capability.

How else am I going to soften up the Normandy beaches...oh sorry, wrong war

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Andydog


Unfortunately these days it's more of the bad dirty look variety than the inviting dirty look - she has just entered into her 9th month of pregnancy and can't understand why I'd rather play civ than constantly rub her feet!

However this game sounds very interesting. I'm in!

I've never played a scenario before. I tried one of the Conquests briefly and then decided I liked the stock game better.

What would the victory conditions be?
Do the civs have the same attributes as the stock game?
Are all the units and tech tree completely different?
Are there still 4 eras?
Do you start with lots of units?
Are all the civs reasonably balanced? (land, units, etc)
Are there UUs? If not then are GAs only triggered by wonders?
Does the civ pedia have all the info on wonders and units etc?

Spain looks interesting (commercial religious if I recall?)
but so do the Ottomans. What attributes does Prussia have? What choice would make for a better game for us overall?

So many questions..

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner


Hmmm... let me start with the answers I know. Paddy, myself and several others played this Conquests scenario a while back -- it was a lot of fun.

Victory conditions to be set by Paddy when he mods the game, but I believe its by conquest and/or domination only. Not wonders/un/cultural (i think). Paddy can verify this when he sets up the game.

The tech tree is a bit different with some more era specific advances (Code Civil for example, which increases worker efficiency) and the game stays in one era only.

You do start with a moderate army and the civs are mostly balanced. I think the consensus is that France is a bit stronger than the others, but at the beginning, it's pretty equal. The reason for the disparity is the civ specific units are slightly different in this scenario. The size of the civs vary a bit also.

GA is initiated by UU in sucessful combat. NO major wonders, just minor wonders (like battlefield medicine).

I think Prussia is Industrious and Militaristic. And Austria is the same.

You actually get an opportunity to smartly pick a civ, as you know the location and civ abilities of the three human players.

Ottoman puts you in direct contact with Russia (mickeyj) only.
Spain puts you in direct contact with France (paddy) only.
Prussia and Austria puts you inbetween both France and Russia.

Prussia and Austria have decent militaries. I played Austria in the previous Napoleon PBEM. I like the Hussar UU.

It might be worth it for you to start a "hot seat" PBEM based on this scenario and play a few turns playing each of the different civs. If you do this, try to recall the changes that Paddy has suggested that will change the gameplay balances.

Hopefully this was useful.

Shogun Gunner

P.S. I hope you will post some pics of the new baby!!!! I hope everything is going well with your wife. It was 15 months ago that my wife gave birth to our second daughter. It's quite an event -- enjoy every moment (even the dirty looks)

[Shogun Gunner]

Posting in order to subscribe to this thread.

We Redcoats are looking forward to this game!!!!

[Paddy]

so do you have any suggestions for Andy on what civ he should be

[Shogun Gunner]

no, probably the best suggestion for our friend Andydog is to play a few turns of the scenario before selecting a civ for this game.

It seems any of the four choices left are good ones.

[Paddy]

Andy, I think that you would have a great time as the mighty Ottomen. They have a great empire, some real fiesty units, and are perched comfortably in a corner of the map

this would also give the map a balanced effect with two of us on each side of the map

so are the 4 of us to be staunch and loyal allies

or is this to be a game of chance / diplomacy and the issues of life

[Mickeyj]

Looking good canna wait.

Just for the record I'm away this weekend so won't be able to get this game fired up and going.

[Paddy]

tis all good either way mate

it will be going for a while

[Andydog]

thanks for the answers guys.

I'll go with the Ottomans.

[Paddy]

cool

I may even be able to get this started tonight

well maybe

[Paddy]

ok, I appreciate that you lads are patient fella's

I also understand I have pushed it a bit with the 1.15 issues

well I ask now for a little patience with me on getting this game sorted

my c3c 1.22 editor is fritzed now that I am again running a dual install (1.15 & 1.22)

so I need to set all this up on the laptop

all being well I will get it done before I crash tonight

otherwaise the weekend is looking good

[Shogun Gunner]

Paddy, no hurry from my perspective. Take the time you need.

[Paddy]

ok, I am starting to build this now