Iron Civer II

[marcuspeddle]

Well, I don't mind starting again, I guess. And I agree with Snoopy about lakes being a better map than Pangaea.

[tommynt]

beh guys
lake is far worst mp map - i know what i m talkin about
pang is usually not that bad but on tiny start are somewhat close - if u dont want set u gotta play small
high sea level pang givs crap never do that - also never forget to set solid coast on pang map or there can be peninsulas.

as said i dont mind a restart even as i just think that dying wasnt due to map but due to not considering settings - i had great land i think i d have won kinda easy - not such a challenge

[snoopy369]

How is lake the worst MP map? Both from personal experience, and testimony of some of the top MP players, lake is generally considered to be the best nonteam map (inland sea or team battleground best for team)... Pangea has significant problems for MP, particularly the lack of balanced terrain. Lake has much more balanced terrain and some water without having too much, and multiple fronts (which makes it good for teams as well).

[Rommel2D]

I've been using Pangaea for Iron Civ because it presents the best option for using a navy while allowing normal land conflict.

I just looked at the current game and it looks like something is wrong- it is back to Masuro's turn already, but tommy never logged in. Am I missing something?

Also, has anyone been using the DNS alias I listed?

[snoopy369]

It hasn't played my move (i've been using planned moves in case I can't log in), so although i've logged in it's just been to notice that it's still Masuro's turn.

I've been using the numerical DNS.

[snoopy369]

Naval warfare on a small map like this, btw, is never going to play a meaningful part in the game. Particularly a small pangea, where it's simply faster to walk over there rather than to boat halfway across the pangea. I'd almost say Lakes are better for naval warfare in that you have some chance of going across a lake to get to someone, rather than around the whole landmass...

[tommynt]

ok ip seems to be down - i could not connect to host twice now - i set some automoves so i didnt care that much espacially as we will proly restart anyway

lakes is a very bad mp map cause it generates totally random starts - it puts some players 2 tiles apart each others while another is all allone

in pangea starts are usually somehwat predictable at least when u set teams - all start kinda same far away from each other usually and land is decent fair aswell - usually

I wonder from which experience u guys speak off - i played lot of mp games

[marcuspeddle]

I use the DNS alias (you mean the word address, right?) and it's been working fine.

How about a random map?

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Naval warfare on a small map like this, btw, is never going to play a meaningful part in the game. Particularly a small pangea, where it's simply faster to walk over there rather than to boat halfway across the pangea. I'd almost say Lakes are better for naval warfare in that you have some chance of going across a lake to get to someone, rather than around the whole landmass...

The point of the Pangaea is that you can bypass land defenses by shipping to almost any part of the map. It's not likely to be used as a tactic I'd guess, but it would definitely present better opportunities than lakes, where a ship would have extremely limited travel options...

BTW Mas, it looks like you didn't end your turn last time you logged in.

[marcuspeddle]

Oh, spit. That's why I had a strange, nagging feeling when I exited the game. My apologies.

I'm getting on a bus to Seoul this afternoon so it looks like CerberusIV will have to start the new game for me. I've given him a link to this thread so he should know what's going on.
How about a 1 continent per civ game? That will prevent any worries about getting wiped out in a few turns and it allows naval battles. Which are kind of fun. It takes longer for us to meet but there's no rush, really.

[Rommel2D]

That would make navies mandatory. My aim is to make them a viable tactic, but make sure that focus stays on the land war aspect- to keep everything directly confrontational (for the tournament aspect...)

[snoopy369]

Eh, we can play on whatever you want, rommel ... but i've not ever seen an MP game played on pangaea.

Inland Sea would accomplish what you're looking for navy-wise, and would ensure some starting distance from each other, in addition to relatively little 'poor' terrain, though it takes away some of the fun of searching for people (unless you figure a way to do it with x/y wrap ) Lakes still gets my vote for this size/player count. You might also see if Fried or Sirian have any suggestions...

[snoopy369]

The problem btw with pangaea, really, other than relative player position, is that it has such lousy start positions available to it (ie, ice/tundra starts). In a tiny pangaea, one out of four people, if not two, are virtually guaranteed to have a lousy start in ice/tundra, and it's quite possible only one person gets a decent start... there's just not room on the map, and even if there were, you'd still probably have one in the tundra due to spacing.

[CerberusIV]

Hi

I'm ready to take Masuro's turns, or start a new game for him.

My email is cerberusiv (at) eircom (dot) net

It's not my game but I would echo snoopy369's comment that a tiny pangaea will almost inevitably give someone a crappy start.

[tommynt]

quote: Eh, we can play on whatever you want, rommel ... but i've not ever seen an MP game played on pangaea

I played lot of games on pangea - pangea is after tbf best mp map for teamgames
ask Fried or sirian but i got more experience then both of em together how mp settings ll work out (i know who sirian is)

the thing is that once a map as pang or balanced is watched over (just doublecheck in worldbuilder cap spots - very easy to do) it allows most options imo.
without watching over inland sea, ring and hub usually guarantee the most "fair" setting as all players are about same far away and no1 got can have crap land. But fair isnt allways most fun imo