Wwi Pbem

[marcuspeddle]

Thanks for filling me in. ^^

[marcuspeddle]

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/maptext_n2/ww_1.html

Here's one map of Europe during that time period. Maybe someone can find a better one with city names?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/maptext_n2/ww_1.html

Here's one map of Europe during that time period. Maybe someone can find a better one with city names?

looks good to me

[Wib]

Great! I'm still in with whatever you folks decide. I'm keeping an eye on this thread everyday too so I'm following along.

[Paddy]

cool

so when will this one start ???

[snoopy369]

Hmm... I'm not sure I have time atm to make the significant changes that would be required to use a premade map ... and do people want cities to be there to begin with, or start from scratch? I obviously misread the opinions earlier so I want to check again ...

[Grandpa Troll]

well..im kewl with a random map..thats me..

[marcuspeddle]

Settling is a bit boring for me. I'd rather have the cities already laid out like in the Napolean scenario.

Maybe we should just do the Napolean Scenario

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Settling is a bit boring for me. I'd rather have the cities already laid out like in the Napolean scenario.

Maybe we should just do the Napolean Scenario

and call it wwi?

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Masuro
That's a fine map but where would North Africa fit into WW1? Who was controlling it at that time? Sorry, my knowledge of that time period is a bit sketchy.

Actually quite possibly WWI was caused in part by North Africa, or specifically German screwups involving it. Germany tried to get involved in the continent, and failed miserably, in the first decade of the 20th century; that not only put them in an adverserial position with Britain, but it also convinced the Kaiser that his best option was to go to war in Europe rather than trying to pursue colonial ambitions.

It's been a while since i learned the specifics, but I believe Morrocco or Tunisia was the area in question at the time ...

[marcuspeddle]

WW1, the Prequel

[Grandpa Troll]

then that does it

Lets roll with the game


If its a sticking point I will be the sandbuggers of Tunisia

[snoopy369]

Hmm. Taking a look at Napoleonic era, I can make do with this and possibly fix it up a bit for WWI. Basically give it a whole new tech tree and change the units a bit, increase the drafting strategy (drastically higher number of draftable units, to go with the reality of WWI = essentially a draftee-based war), and fix a few of the nations up.

I suspect we have 6 well playable nations (Britain, France, Russia, Prussia, Austria, Ottomans) and 2 less so (Spain, Sweden). I would suggest Spain and Sweden either be buffed up a little (easily could be done for spain, less so for sweden) or just cut out and/or AIed.

Who wants to play what? We'd start with the Napoleonic MP version map, same cities, roughly similar units (but i'm changing the units, so they'd change a bit). I'll post my changes shortly.

[snoopy369]

Okay, here's the tech list. -> is requires the above level tech (--> requires -> etc.); the immediately above, so fascism requires communism, flight requires automation, etc.

Nationalism [started: all] [rifleman] [mobilize/draft/MPP]
-> Communism [gov't] [police] [secret HQ]
--> Fascism [gov't]
-> Espionage [spies]

Steam Power [RR] [Ironclad] [started: all]
-> Industrialization [factory] [w. suffrage sm wonder] [coal plant]
--> Corporation [req: nationalism] [stock exch] [trade embargo]
---> Mil. Tactics [Heavy Cavalry] [Pentagon]
--> Replaceable Parts [infantry]
--> Automation [Machine Inf.] [Artillery]
---> Flight [req: replaceable parts][fighter]
Medicine [started: independents]
-> Electricity [destroyer] [workersx2] [irrigate w/o water]
-->Naval Sup. [req: industrialization] [battleship] [sub]
-> Sanitation [hospital] [flood plains no disease]

If this is confusing i'll try to put together an excel file soonish to make it look prettier.

[snoopy369]

Units:

STARTING UNITS

Rifleman: 5/6/1 COST: 80 shields
Cavalry: 6/4/3 COST: 90 shields
Cannon: B:12 Range: 1 ROF: 2 COST: 80 shields
Ironclad: 4/4/4 B:4 R:1 ROF:1 COST: 70 shields
Galleon: 1/2/5 COST: 40 shields

ADVANCED UNITS

Infantry 10/10/1 COST: 100 shields
Machine Infantry 6(12)/12/1 Bombard: 12 Range: 0 ROF: 3 COST: 150 shields
Adv Cavalry: 10/6/3 COST: 120 shields
Artillery: Bombard:18 Range: 2 ROF: 3 COST: 100 shields
Destroyer: 8/8/8 B: 12 Range: 2 ROF: 2 COST: 120 shields
Battleship: 12/12/6 B: 18 Range: 2 ROF: 3 COST: 210 shields
Submarine: 10/3/5 standard Sub advantages/disadvantages; COST: 140 shields
Transport: 1/5/7 COST: 80 shields
[edit: art'y,battleship down to 18; 24 was too high.]

The expectation is that most forces will end up composed defensively of some machine infantry and some regular infantry (MI are 12.5 shields/DP, Infantry are 10 shields/DP, but MI have bombard); offensive forces will be heavily organized around artillery (as no unit has greater attkc force than the defensive units, or even equal to) and infantry (as cavalry are more expensive for same offensive potential), with Cavalry produced either as quick responders or as quick strike forces. Naval battles might be interesting - there are a decent amount of coastal cities, especially if Prussia goes after Britain, and also especially if we involve the independents (sweden and spain).

Please comment on the balances here etc. I tried to keep the typical civ balances, with respect to cost - upgrades should generally cost less per DP/OP at this point in the game than predecessors - and make a WWI faithful unit balance, encouraging lots of art'y and infantry fighting rather than the quick cavalry strikes of vanilla C3C.