All Day Round (tracker thread II)

[sabrewolf]

now lets see what information isn't confidential...

ok, for starters, the tech tree...

[Aqualung71]

on to 1889

[EDIT: Sabre's a real jolly joker, isn't he......ha ha ha]

[sabrewolf]

ok, here something more interesting.

the big secret: the world map! none of you have seen more than my coast line, except the former incan and mayan lands. here's the true size and all that i know of the world (pretty much everything)

the rest shows the demographics for the dutch... some cities are in civil disorder, so it could be a bit higher...

[sabrewolf]

here the former incan and mayan lands (the iroquois lands are censored)
unfortunatly not good quality after resizing, but the important things can be seen (backbone rails, build commands, luxuries, etc).

the only visible city that doesn't lie on conquered lands is marad in the bottom left corner.

aqua, as you can see, i'm progressing quite well in removing those awful wetlands and jungles that grew in our border region.

this turn, i finished railroading the very last tile in my core lands. now i can start optimising for size and production.

[Aqualung71]

You definitely got the best continent Sabre. My Inca would have given you a run for your money if we can been able to co-exist peacefully. But your incessant wonder-building made that impossible.

[sabrewolf]

next, sumeria's demographics.
again, they are usually a bit higher, but i removed a few workers from mountains and hills to make the figures not seem too shoking

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
You definitely got the best continent Sabre. My Inca would have given you a run for your money if we can been able to co-exist peacefully. But your incessant wonder-building made that impossible.

well, except the celtic lands, your continent isn't bad. especially the ottomans have good bonuses, good grassland and a well defendable peninsula.
i counted 4 sources of coal on your continent, 5 sources of iron (!!!), 4 horses, 3 saltpeter (1 in celtic lands), but only 1 rubber (but by the time rubber appears, the game is virtually decided).

the problem is also that you guys didn't really fight for more lands. with china having both horses and iron, i would have built plenty of riders and overrun the celts.
speaking of iron: aqua, why am i giving you iron when you've got a source of your own in shantung???


edit: but all in all, i to agree that i have the better continent. especially after having been lucky that aqua didn't attack me when he would have wrecked me (with all those knights and ancient cavalries).

[sabrewolf]

and the ottomans: it's not an up-to-date map, but your city spacing is really sub-optimal. you've got lots of unused tiles (see screenie with censored resource tiles) of which most are/were roaded and mined! your city placing may be ok for the late game when cities have 20+ pop, but in a PBEM it's worth doing tighter city spacing. a city every 3 tiles is considered safe. theseus even does every 2nd tile! if you want to keep a distance, then at least you could fill in the gaps with camps, that pump out units (workers, settlers, military) or go for research.

i don't mean to patronise. i'm just pointing out some optimisation issues that you may want to consider in the next game

[sabrewolf]

last, here my sumerian civ at full strength.

if i max science, i have 1069 science beakers with -254gpt.
break-even allows me approx. 800 beakers.
if i max taxes i get +866gpt.

all new cities are selfsustained. i'm nearly only using railroaded irrigated tiles for enough food for the guys to use engineers for building stuff. temples are cheap with AP on (30 shields) and with 5 luxuries, cities can grow to 6 or 7 without getting uphappy. i try to give each city +5 food per turn and use the rest for engineers. that allows efficient infrastructure building, but requires a hell lot of micromanagement

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
the problem is also that you guys didn't really fight for more lands. with china having both horses and iron, i would have built plenty of riders and overrun the celts.

That Iron source has only just appeared, so someone else must have lost one. Since I haven't had
Iron for most of the game in China, building Riders was not an option for me. While the Inca were still in the game, certainly China fighting the Celts would have been an option, but you will recall that I almost dropped out of the game entirely at that point, and since then the only option I have had is to co-operate with 1889 and GC in research, though it seems that was doomed from the start anyway.

Bottom line is, with only one civ it didn't matter how big I could grow China....I was still doomed. Even with China's miniscule size, I am still 3rd after Sumeria/Netherlands in all the important demographics.

As you said, if Inca had attacked Sumeria before you rather strangely spied on my only city that was full of military ( ) then the game may have turned out very differently!

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
That Iron source has only just appeared, so someone else must have lost one. Since I haven't had
Iron for most of the game in China, building Riders was not an option for me. While the Inca were still in the game, certainly China fighting the Celts would have been an option, but you will recall that I almost dropped out of the game entirely at that point, and since then the only option I have had is to co-operate with 1889 and GC in research, though it seems that was doomed from the start anyway.

Bottom line is, with only one civ it didn't matter how big I could grow China....I was still doomed. Even with China's miniscule size, I am still 3rd after Sumeria/Netherlands in all the important demographics.

As you said, if Inca had attacked Sumeria before you rather strangely spied on my only city that was full of military ( ) then the game may have turned out very differently!

oh, i didn't know that resources can still jump. havn't seen them in C3C... ever... in the original civ3, it happened all the time


about the fighting on the island: i know the only chance you had was that you all team up. but in the end, i think the ranking is also important. only somebody can win (in this case most probably sumeria by spacerace), but 2nd, 3rd are also winners


and the spying: investigating cities only costs a few dozen gold. and the turn your military jumped from "average" to "strong in comparison with us", i was worried. i had several pikemen and even some muskets, and still you had a strong army.
then, analysing the map i saw that your vilcabamca was threating 2 cities within a single turn (1st: leo's city using the spice-road and 2nd: the coastal city by your roaded iron hills). at least that's where i would have attacked. the peek into the city was worth it.

it's not much to about. city investigation is a very powerful and cheap task. you can see the tech rate (beakers vs. city-gpt), the defences and infrastructure, the wonder build progression, luxury trades, civ's total gold, etc.

oh damn... 05:05... i'm off to bed... good night lads!

[1889]

To bad Sabre went to bed already. I would have loved for him to see this shocking screen shot first. Sweet dreams sucka'. HAHAHAHA

Disease, Polution, Military Service, you talk to me.

[Aqualung71]

Yeh, but at least you're not 8th.....that's reserved for the Inca

I vote we go back to the turn Sabre built Leo's and keep playing

[sabrewolf]

sorry about the delay. i was away and once again have problems with the game.
i hope that i can play my turn tomorrow noon-ish, but cannot guarantee.


1889: why do you have so many military units? if anybody should decide to attack the mayans, it wouldn't be a problem anyhow. you could save the upkeep for additional research or gold for your other civ?

[1889]

Sabre, you are so helpful. Sometimes I forget you are my adversary.

Why do you have so much land? It would be much more efficient to let the Mayans manage there old territory don't you think?