Different UU for English

[PJNagrom]

I think England gets cheated with that UU. For a huge chuck of the modern age they were the dominant empire on the planet. That unit just doesn't do them justice.

I'm thinking an replacement to the Musketman would be better. The British Regular or "Redcoat" unit would be a lot more useful. During the height of their empire the British Regulars were the elite fighting force of the world. I'm not sure what the best combination of traits would be best thoough. Maybe a +1 on both offense and defense OR +2 offense and same defense...

Anyone?

[Spiffor]

I play modded rules where the age of sail begins much sooner, namely with the Navigation tech, and where ships are much faster. The English UU can be interetsing in this meaning, for it can secure the expansion to unsettled islands, and is a kind of very mobile catapult.

[player1]

If you ask me, both 4/4/1 and 3/5/1 could be OK.

[Cruddy]

I'm not so sure - having a late golden age can really turn the tables when you're behind. Getting it at gunpowder isn't that much earlier, true, but it coincides nicely with the over ocean trade era - which is what the British empire was all about.

Also, the British Army was extremely small and (at the time of the Napoleonic wars) was only about 50% English - if you count the Indian sepoy battalions too, it's only about 10% English! The reason they won a lot of battles was not so much superior ability as better discipline and command and control. Without the right leaders they often got a right kicking.

I agree, the man-o-war is a naff Civ unit - but it does the job.

[Elok]

Well, I think the use of the longbow originated with the English, but that's already a unit. I think the MOW is mostly meant to represent their traditional strength at sea. The main problem is that sea units just aren't as valuable as land units, and come much later, as many have mentioned. I do think that the Viking civ added by the expansion pack should have used a "longboat" unit instead of the galley, which would actually be useful because of its early appearance, but what equivalent could the Brits use? Coracles? Rather silly for a unique unit IMO. You could probably balance it by making the MOW a lot stronger, but I think the basic game mechanics need more fixing than the specifics. Not that that's an original comment by any means...

[Agathon]

Eliminating the useless ironclad and strengthening the MOW would do more to improve the English than anything else.

I always thought the Greeks should have a Trireme instead of a Hoplite.

[Naval Power]

I'm thinking maybe a tank UU as they did have some of the first tanks. How bout it of course those were WW1 tanks and the tanks now are WW2.

[Lord_Davinator]

The Gurkhas of course... thats what the English special unit should be... but then again I am from Nepal...

[Louis XXIV]

I think the English UU is a good idea, but ships need improvements.

I would move Ironclads to Industrialization or Corporation, giving the more accurate life of Wooden Frigates.

I would make the ships changed to:

Galley 30 1.1.3 (2)
Caravel 40 1.2.3 (3)
Galleon 60 1.2.4 (4)
Privateer 60 3.1.3
Frigate 60 4.3.4 (0) 6.1.2
-Man-O-War 60 5.3.4 (0) 8.1.2
Ironclad 80 8.8.4 (0) 8.1.2
Transport 100 1.4.5 (8)
Destroyer 120 16.12.6 (0) 10.1.3
Battleship 200 24.20.4 (0) 14.2.4
Submarine 100 15.8.3
Nuclear Sub 120 15.8.4
Aegis Cruiser 160 16.15.5 (0) 7.2.2
Carrier 200 1.9.4 (8 Aircraft)

I don't think the Hopilite is a bad choice for Greece

If it was Athens (S,C), they would have the Trireme
And Sparta (M,I) would have the Hoplite

But since they are together, it isn't a big deal

[Kuciwalker]

They couldn't have a trireme, because its advantage would have to be a 2 on attack (maybe a 2 on defense instead... not likely though), which would make it competitive even two eras later - not a good idea.

[ceroomaster]

Originally posted by Elok
Well, I think the use of the longbow originated with the English,

It was the Welsh.

I like to use the editor and have a few different UUs for every Civ.
Challanger 2 tank, anybody?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by skywalker
They couldn't have a trireme, because its advantage would have to be a 2 on attack (maybe a 2 on defense instead... not likely though), which would make it competitive even two eras later - not a good idea.

Perhaps the whole naval thing could be rejigged. I've always thought that the ships were too slow.

And triremes are so cool.

[Elok]

Well, the moment they have a Welsh civ I'll eat my words, then.

[Naiveplayer]

I play a mod called the ArtilleryMod, which gives the English the longbowman and adds a new unit, the crossbowman. The stats are 5/1/1 for the long and 4/1/1 for the cross, and the long is a deadend unit.

[Demerzel]

When I first started with Civ3, I liked playing the English natch but soon realised that their UU was the biggest waste of space ever.

Some of the above suggestions for its replacement are interesting.

Gotta wonder if the testers ever tried playing with the English and actually reported back that the MOW was a useful unit...?