Fundy is GONE!!

[SilverDragon]

According to Computer Gaming World magazine, Fundamentalism will not be in Civ III. I call this a blessing, because it was extremely unrealistic. You're supposed to be an evil dictator, and the people are all happy. Also, the rediculous amount of gold you earn is messed up, because religious dictatorships are always poor.

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[ancient]

yep she was a *****y unrealalistic govt. but god bless her, flags shall be at half-mast.

[Alexander's Horse]

I am still in mourning over this news



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[Mister Pleasant]

Fundamentalism merely needed to be balanced. And why shouldn't it be included? There are several fundamentalist nations in the real world. Not to mention several political groups in the USofA that would like nothing more than to burn the Bill of Rights and institute an Evangelical Southern Baptist Fundamentalist state.

My question is will anything replace it. If Firaxis thinks democracy, republic, monarchy, communism, despotism are enough they are wrong. CTP even had Theocracy and Facism (sp?). Not to mention some of there "future governments" weren't too far off the mark. Isn't the Corporate Republic what Seattle and Quebec were about? Aren't libertarians often ranting about the Technocracy? Come on, at least give us the same choices Activision gave us. You guys at Firaxis don't want to be outdone by Activision do you? Better yet - give us Social Engineering, an endearing element of SMAC and far superior to CTP.

[JamesJKirk]

Well Fundamentalism ISN'T a type of government, that's why. It's merely an aspect of a government. I mean Iran is an Islamic Republic, Cromwelliam England was somewhat similar...There have been Fundamentalist Monarchies throughout history, did you ever hear of the divine right of kings, and even a few right out Theocracies. But most importantly, just because a nation bases it's code of laws on religious law doesn't automatically make it a crazed fanatic regime, it's nice to have those little stereotypes so we can see things in black and white, but that's just not how it is.
But, I do definitely agree with you about the need for more future looking governments, as CTP had.
[This message has been edited by JamesJKirk (edited May 06, 2001).]

[Sean]

I won't miss her passing. But there should be a couple/few more government-type options.

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[ancient]

i demand that socialism and communism be seperated, because they are different communism could be the new ideological government and socialist could be communism in civ2 which is pretty crappy. but how ever they could work it out so you could only become comunist after you become socialist for so many years, which would be a nice balancing effect and how the govt. is supposed to work out.

[JamesJKirk]

Just the same, Communism, as well as Socialism aren't really types of goverments, they're socioeconomic ideologies. As with Fundamentalism, you could have a communist monarchy, democracy, or dictatorship, or maybe even a futuristic govt where Communism is actually something like was described by Socialist writers and Utopians

[MrFun]

I have an idea for an interesting government.

How about ethnocracy?? An ethnocratic government basically gives democratic freedom and rights to one race or ethnic group while denying those same freedom and rights to other race or ethnic groups.

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"I should like to know if taking this old Declaration of Independence, which declares that all men are equal upon principle, making exceptions to it -- where will it stop? If one man says it does not mean a Negro, why does not another say it does not mean some other man?"
-- Abraham Lincoln's quote, and his anti-racist ideals

[Warm Beer]

Ohh! That makes me so happy. I was never a big fan of fundamentalism (although I have been known to use it from time to time). For even a large empire with plenty of science improvements could compensate for the lack of science funding. Hmm, though it was mildly amusing to create an ungodly (pun intended) amout of fanatics and going 'jihad' on an opponent... ain't nothing like free cannon fodder.

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"When you have to shoot - shoot, don't talk." -Tuco Benedicto Juan Ramirez

[Imran Siddiqui]

I wonder though... will government selection be like Civ2/CtP or SMAC's Social Engineering (SE). I am personally pulling for SE, because then you can have a government type with different philosophy's. It'd be fun to play a Liberal (in the true sense of the word) Republic, or Socialist Dictatorship, etc.

[faded glory]

Ahh yes no fundamentalism, but I hear there must be some sort of 'Religous Republic'.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Hi Everyone,
Well, I can't say that I'll miss Fundamentalism (having replaced it with Fascism long ago!), but I hope that Firaxis completely revamps the government/SE model. I feel that a combination of both SE/Government types is best (ie. you have all the basic government types, with their set bonuses and limitations, but you can use SE to modify the governments "feel" to match your own tastes!). Like most people, I also feel that some more basic government types are needed (like those in CTP1 and 2), but most important of all is the need for greater Social Interaction (SI), which I believe was put forward by The Joker on an earlier civ III forum- with the concepts of factional support and Absolutity (both of which were great ideas). My reason for wanting more SI is so that I feel like my civilization contains real, thinking, people and not just automotons who yield to every dictate I make (like I felt in Civ II at times!) I'd especially like to see true-to-life representations of Civil War and Revolution.
Anyway, sorry for the length of the post, but I've been waiting to say that for months!!
From,
The Aussie Lurker

[Roman]

Welcome to Apolyton, Aussie Lurker!

[Russian King]

It doesnt matter to me whether fundy is gone, as long as its reallistic!
I used commie more than fundy. better prod and science(and sumtimes gold.)

and YES, FIRAXIS!!!
You should change the WHOLE gov't system into something close to CTP!
and make it a bit more modyfiable!