Whats your production/shields record?

[Emma]

ahh, right. i have been missing something, then. i didn't know that.
so that means i can like increase the production of my cities in the game i'm playing now by 25%? hi, hi.... my enemies (nearly every one, worldwar 1 at the moment. everyone is with me or against me. there is no inbetween (america found that out first hi hi hi....)

[Brizey]

Emma:

Yes. Nuclear plants are the optimum for production, with the slight risk of a meltdown (very slight). Any city can only have ONE power plant active (the last one built). Hoover places a hydro plant in every city on the continent.

Anyone figure out the theoretical limit?

How about 1 coal on hills, one iron on hills and all the rest cattle on plains? Coal has a base production of three, iron and cattle on plains have a base of two. All other squares have at best a base of one. Since for every coal you need a square that produces less than two, there is no advantage of having more than one coal (needed for Ironworks). So I would propose using:

1 coal on hills (base = 3)
1 iron on hills (base = 2)
18 cattle on plains (base =2)
plus the center square (base =1, plus provides food for iron and coal squares).

The base is 3+2+1+18*2=42.

RR: +21

So city base is 63.

MP: 100%
NP: 100%
IW: 100%

So total is 63*4=252.

I did this from memory. Is this the best? I think that irrigated plains with Uranium can be subsitituted for mined plains with cattle. Both produce 3 shields and two food.

[Nubclear]

Civ3Edit is your friend.

[Brizey]

Oops.

How about 499?

Government: Democracy

Mobilized

Palace, all happiness stuff, all corruption stuff, Forbidden Palace 1 square away, factory, manufacturing plant, nuclear plant and Iron Works

Population: 20 (not 21!)

9 cattle squares, mined and RR: 3 food, 5 shields each

10 coal squares, mined and RR: 1 food, 7 shields each

1 iron square, mined and RR: 1 food, 6 shields

Center square is coal, 2 food, 6 shields

Total food: 40

Total base shields: 127

Total additional shields: +300%

Grand total: 508

However, there was some waste, so the actual production read 499. On the F1 screen, it said 496(?).

I tried using 3 flood plains with wheat and all coal except for 1 iron for the IW, and it was not quite as good (490).

So, the next question is:

What exactly is the effect of RR? I guess I could just do a search, but after all this damn work, I feel lazy.

[Brizey]

BTW, I did this by trial and error. Someone who remembers number theory and solving simultaneous congruences can do the integer math problem to find the absolute optimum. 1991 was a long time ago.

[Mad Bomber]

Not Sure that this is the max but this should come close

21 tiles all rail Roaded

4 Wheat on FP, irrigated 28F 0S
2 Iron on Hills, Mined 2F 10S
2 Coal on Hill, Mined 1F 12S
12 Hills, mined 12F 48S
city 2F 1S
Totals: 45F 71S

With Factory (50%) IW (100%) Nuc Plant (100%) and MP (50%)
you could have a size 22 city producing 284 shields.

[Mad Bomber]

Uh, Brizey.

I like you work on the theoretical maximums

However I am more interested in the maximums from a city that could actually exist in a Civ 3 game.

RR simply provide a bonus of 1 Food or Shield to a worked tile (which is why forests are not affected by RR's)

[Chemical Ollie]

Industrial golden age triggered by Hoover, combined with mobilization and fully developed railroads gives a nice production boost. I've experienced it a couple of times. WOW!

[Panag]

hi ,

a golden age gives more shields , try to trigger one very late , playing as the americans or so , .....

talking about a boom in shield production , ....

have a nice day

[Emma]

i think i'll make the criteria a bit more well... you know realistic.
so if you have:

7 bonus grassland tiles (mined)
and
6 hills(mined)
with coal and iron and ironworks and factory and hooverdam and nuclear and manufac. plant and all the rest
irrigated
then: you have 166 shields for example in the capital. (not corruption)

(hmmm, thought you would have more. everything grassland btw) anyone know what it is if everything is plains?

[Brizey]

Mad Bomber and Emma:

I realize that this is not realistic, but it does give you a measure of just how good a city is. I was just curious. Actually, I forgot golden age.

The attached save is the best I could do.

It is still 499. This must be a hard coded limit, because it should be producing nearly 600!

It is the same as I posted above, just with a golden age as well. The coal tiles are producing 8 base shields!

[Brizey]

So if 499 is the hard coded limit, then a city producing over 200 is kicking ass.

Really though, once you can crank out a MA every turn, any more is not all that useful unless you are going for a space race victory. Even then, you are better off with ten good cities instead of one monster city.

[Brizey]

MB:

RR does more than that. How could a flood plain get to seven food?

Base food is 3. Irrigation adds 1. RR adds one. Wheat adds one. That makes 6, not 7. But I have seen seven food on a wheat/flood plain.

[Brizey]

Never mind. Wheat adds two food.

[Brizey]

Another dang oops. I made one with a production of 587!

See attached.