Should America be a civ?

[aaglo]

Of course it should. Every game should have allies and enemies. Guess where the murricans fit just fine

j/k

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by Ribannah

Only a minority of the Americans descended from the English.

But the american culture and language is to a very large degree descended from the English.

The Iroquois were never Sioux, just like the Russians were never Spanish. They didn't call their land or empire America either. If you want to give them their proper name, calling them Haudenosaunee (people of the longhouse) instead of Iroquois (they who smoke) would do. They named North-America Turtle Island.

Do you think that the Germans call their country Germany? It is conventional (at least in the English language version of civ) to name all the civs and cities in English.

Of course I'm sure in your setup you rename Germany to Deutschland and India to Hindustan.

Whether or not this convention is a bit dumb is a topic for another debate. Assuming this convention, the Iroquois should be called the Americans.

[Panag]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace

But the american culture and language is to a very large degree descended from the English.



Do you think that the Germans call their country Germany? It is conventional (at least in the English language version of civ) to name all the civs and cities in English.

Of course I'm sure in your setup you rename Germany to Deutschland and India to Hindustan.

Whether or not this convention is a bit dumb is a topic for another debate. Assuming this convention, the Iroquois should be called the Americans.

hi ,

and what to do then with countries that have more then one language , .......

have a nice day

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

and what to do then with countries that have more then one language , .......

Hindustan does have more than one language.

But you knew that...

...didn't you?

[XarXo]

Originally posted by Ribannah
It is Iceland that has the longest history of Democracy, followed by the Iroquois who introduced the participatory form.

Yes, but a democracy in an independent state with an own constitution?

Iceland doesn't create a constitution till 1874.

Iroquois... Hmmm... Probably a democratic system was just implanted to avoid conflicts between tribal chiefs. The good point of democratic elections is the standar idea of 1 human, 1 vote, that's all. Probably the same happened with greeks when they had the problem of select leaders in Capitol Cities states (well, Athina was indoubtably the leader).

Actually this system doesn't apply, just because some humans live in huge regions to maintain, while millions of others live in small regions with a dense capitol.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Do you think that the Germans call their country Germany? It is conventional (at least in the English language version of civ) to name all the civs and cities in English.
..
Whether or not this convention is a bit dumb is a topic for another debate. Assuming this convention, the Iroquois should be called the Americans.

Ehhm, Iroquois is not an English word. It's Iroquois, spelled like it was French. (Original: 'ie-ro-kwa'.)
Most of the Iroquois city names aren't English either.

Oh, and America is far from unique in being formed by members of more than one older tribe. The same holds for most of the civs that are in the game. So a special way of introducing them makes no sense.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by XarXo
Yes, but a democracy in an independent state with an own constitution?

Goverment form and written constitution are two different things, one is not needed to have the other.

The good point of democratic elections is the standar idea of 1 human, 1 vote, that's all. Probably the same happened with greeks when they had the problem of select leaders in Capitol Cities states

Greece as a nation didn't have a democracy, some Greek cities came close but still excluded many citizens.

There is, however, more than one way to organize a democracy.
It can be done without any elections at all, but generally representatives are chosen. Further, sometimes a majority suffices, sometimes a qualified majority or unanimity (Iroquois) is needed to make decisions.

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Ehhm, Iroquois is not an English word. It's Iroquois, spelled like it was French. (Original: 'ie-ro-kwa'.)
Most of the Iroquois city names aren't English either.

Actually it is an English word and you'll find it in a lot of english dictionaries. They way that language works is that if there is no alternative a foreign word will be used and absorbed into the language. There is no word other than Iroquois which can be used.

Oh, and America is far from unique in being formed by members of more than one older tribe. The same holds for most of the civs that are in the game. So a special way of introducing them makes no sense.

and the classic example being...?

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Actually it is an English word and you'll find it in a lot of english dictionaries. They way that language works is that if there is no alternative a foreign word will be used and absorbed into the language. There is no word other than Iroquois which can be used.

Sure there is. You could translate it into Smoker Nation, or you could call them People of the Longhouse.

and the classic example being...?

It is rather ordinary, but maybe France is easy to do some research on.

[Panag]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace

Actually it is an English word and you'll find it in a lot of english dictionaries. They way that language works is that if there is no alternative a foreign word will be used and absorbed into the language. There is no word other than Iroquois which can be used.



and the classic example being...?

hi ,

your "ie-ro-kwa" is found in an old dictionary , .... in a french one , the base is french , ..... and a similar english version does not have it , .... yet it reads "dic for the new territories" , ......


have a nice day

panag upholding the flag >



sorry Rib no Iro flag found to use with that , maybe you could use it for you with an iroquois flag , .....

[Ribannah]

Thanks, Panag.
(How they you get hold of such an old dictionary?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Thanks, Panag.
(How they you get hold of such an old dictionary?

hi ,

simple , europe is full with these books , most are for sale for the price of a pack of smokes , .... the leather on the outside is worth more then what people ask for it , .....

example , maps ; all the national geographic maps can be bought on CD-rom but also the real deal that you can touch for less then 100 dollars or euro's , .....

very intreseting those maps , .......

have a nice day

[Aramis]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
|the fact is that America does stand out among the other civilizations because it doesn't even have it's own distinct language.

yeah, we do. we just named it after yous guys cuz we kinda like ya. Sorta wanna look afta yez. Pulled yerazzes outta the fire twice. Nowhotimeen?

ah--fugedaboutit!

[Chilean President™]

EDIT: that "fugedaboutit!" remind me to turn on HBO, to watch The Sopranos

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by rmds


yeah, we do. we just named it after yous guys cuz we kinda like ya. Sorta wanna look afta yez. Pulled yerazzes outta the fire twice. Nowhotimeen?

ah--fugedaboutit!

Oh these gringos...still thinking they saved the world twice...